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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 03:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry - where&#039;s the 10% guaranteed APR coming from? And the reason it needs to be guaranteed is because the 15 year flat mortgage rate is just that.

I just ran my numbers, trying to figure out if what you&#039;re saying is right.

My current total interest on my 30 year at 5% is 164k. I&#039;ve already paid 17k over the last two years, so that leaves about 147k interest left to pay.

My increase out of pocket per month for a 15 year loan is $300. 

Using this (http://www.patrickschneider.com/compound_interest_calculator.php) calculator, plugging in $0 starting, $300 per month, and a more &#039;realistic&#039; 5% APR (although you&#039;ll have to educate me as to where I could get that these days), I end up with $250k after 30 years, but I&#039;ve paid $164k in interest. Net 86k.

Now, let&#039;s say I refinance and pay off my loan in 15 years @ 3.7 APR. This reduces my remaining interest from 147k to 50k. (Total interest over life of loan  = 67k.) 

Then, for the next 15 years, I take the $900 I would have paid as mortgage and invest @ 5%. This results in 240k after 15 years. 240k - 67k = Net 173k. 

A fifty percent better net in half the time results in a much better return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8211; where&#8217;s the 10% guaranteed APR coming from? And the reason it needs to be guaranteed is because the 15 year flat mortgage rate is just that.</p>
<p>I just ran my numbers, trying to figure out if what you&#8217;re saying is right.</p>
<p>My current total interest on my 30 year at 5% is 164k. I&#8217;ve already paid 17k over the last two years, so that leaves about 147k interest left to pay.</p>
<p>My increase out of pocket per month for a 15 year loan is $300. </p>
<p>Using this (<a href="http://www.patrickschneider.com/compound_interest_calculator.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.patrickschneider.com/compound_interest_calculator.php</a>) calculator, plugging in $0 starting, $300 per month, and a more &#8216;realistic&#8217; 5% APR (although you&#8217;ll have to educate me as to where I could get that these days), I end up with $250k after 30 years, but I&#8217;ve paid $164k in interest. Net 86k.</p>
<p>Now, let&#8217;s say I refinance and pay off my loan in 15 years @ 3.7 APR. This reduces my remaining interest from 147k to 50k. (Total interest over life of loan  = 67k.) </p>
<p>Then, for the next 15 years, I take the $900 I would have paid as mortgage and invest @ 5%. This results in 240k after 15 years. 240k &#8211; 67k = Net 173k. </p>
<p>A fifty percent better net in half the time results in a much better return.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 02:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AGREED! I really, really hope people Googling and hitting this post read down the responses.
Who runs this site, and how/why is Jim&#039;s post still a webpage on it?

If you can afford the 15 year term and are early into your mortgage, you will save tens of thousands in interest. 

Also, with my modest mortgage (originally $173k 2 years ago):

I would have to pay a whopping 75% more on top of my current monthly payment to equal the same interest savings by refinancing down 1.3 points to a 15 year loan with a 25% increase in my month payment. 

Going with the 15 year now will reduce my remaining interest from 118k to 50k, a 70k savings &quot;return&quot; on the 54k extra payments over 15 years. That return is bsically 3.5% APR based on a monthly contribution of $300 (the increase in my payment) 

Not to mention I will own my house outright in 15 years instead of 28.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AGREED! I really, really hope people Googling and hitting this post read down the responses.<br />
Who runs this site, and how/why is Jim&#8217;s post still a webpage on it?</p>
<p>If you can afford the 15 year term and are early into your mortgage, you will save tens of thousands in interest. </p>
<p>Also, with my modest mortgage (originally $173k 2 years ago):</p>
<p>I would have to pay a whopping 75% more on top of my current monthly payment to equal the same interest savings by refinancing down 1.3 points to a 15 year loan with a 25% increase in my month payment. </p>
<p>Going with the 15 year now will reduce my remaining interest from 118k to 50k, a 70k savings &#8220;return&#8221; on the 54k extra payments over 15 years. That return is bsically 3.5% APR based on a monthly contribution of $300 (the increase in my payment) </p>
<p>Not to mention I will own my house outright in 15 years instead of 28.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The argument presented here is that if you think you can afford a 15 year loan, you can protect yourself against unforeseen circumstances by taking the 30 yr and making payments as though you took the 15 yr.

Another approach is to compare the net investment.  The net value is amount borrowed minus principal outstanding.  The net cost is the total amount paid to date.  The net investment is the net value minus the net cost.  Calculate net investment for 15 and 30 yr, and then subtract the two for net benefit of 15 yr vs 30.

To be consistent with the protect yourself against unforeseen circumstances, the 15 year calculation can be done with the 30 year rate.

In any case, the result is that the shorter term at the same interest rate costs less, and a shorter term at a lower rate reduces cost more. Since the goal is to reduce cost, I would select the shortest affordable term.  To fully evaluate the ability to make the higher payments, one could have a period of time where they make the higher payment in their current situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument presented here is that if you think you can afford a 15 year loan, you can protect yourself against unforeseen circumstances by taking the 30 yr and making payments as though you took the 15 yr.</p>
<p>Another approach is to compare the net investment.  The net value is amount borrowed minus principal outstanding.  The net cost is the total amount paid to date.  The net investment is the net value minus the net cost.  Calculate net investment for 15 and 30 yr, and then subtract the two for net benefit of 15 yr vs 30.</p>
<p>To be consistent with the protect yourself against unforeseen circumstances, the 15 year calculation can be done with the 30 year rate.</p>
<p>In any case, the result is that the shorter term at the same interest rate costs less, and a shorter term at a lower rate reduces cost more. Since the goal is to reduce cost, I would select the shortest affordable term.  To fully evaluate the ability to make the higher payments, one could have a period of time where they make the higher payment in their current situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The math is correct.  You are failing to include the $677/mo. additional payment on the 30 yr. mortgage so it is paid off in 15 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The math is correct.  You are failing to include the $677/mo. additional payment on the 30 yr. mortgage so it is paid off in 15 years.</p>
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		<title>By: SSSharpie</title>
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		<dc:creator>SSSharpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I just don’t understand the drive to pay off a mortgage, especially a first mortgage.&lt;/i&gt;

Brandon, I hope you didn&#039;t lose your shorts since you posted this comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I just don’t understand the drive to pay off a mortgage, especially a first mortgage.</i></p>
<p>Brandon, I hope you didn&#8217;t lose your shorts since you posted this comment.</p>
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		<title>By: cdiver</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdiver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 21:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely, as long as you can afford the extra cost and are not confident in your abilities to get a higher return elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely, as long as you can afford the extra cost and are not confident in your abilities to get a higher return elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: cdiver</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdiver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no doubt to the $80 in savings but can you afford the higher monthly payment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no doubt to the $80 in savings but can you afford the higher monthly payment?</p>
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		<title>By: cdiver</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdiver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For most people, it is the easiest way to get a guaranteed return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For most people, it is the easiest way to get a guaranteed return.</p>
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		<title>By: James Colin Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Colin Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 19:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

The difference between a 15 year and 30 year on 300K loan (assuming 20% down) isn&#039;t 20k... check your math. Its 150K (278K in interest versus 124K in interest)

I don&#039;t understand how letting the bank compound 6% against you for an extra 15 years raising an addition 150,000 in interest  isn&#039;t that big of a deal. The average American probably isn&#039;t savvy enough at investing to beat 6% a year on their money, so they are better off paying down their mortgage instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>The difference between a 15 year and 30 year on 300K loan (assuming 20% down) isn&#8217;t 20k&#8230; check your math. Its 150K (278K in interest versus 124K in interest)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand how letting the bank compound 6% against you for an extra 15 years raising an addition 150,000 in interest  isn&#8217;t that big of a deal. The average American probably isn&#8217;t savvy enough at investing to beat 6% a year on their money, so they are better off paying down their mortgage instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 18:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main reason a 15 year is better is:

A 15 year mortgage always pays off in 15 years no matter what(given you make the payments.

A 30 year paid like a 15 rarely pays in 15, once humans are factored in the equation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main reason a 15 year is better is:</p>
<p>A 15 year mortgage always pays off in 15 years no matter what(given you make the payments.</p>
<p>A 30 year paid like a 15 rarely pays in 15, once humans are factored in the equation.</p>
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		<title>By: DD</title>
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		<dc:creator>DD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree! If I keep my current payment at $137 extra on each monthly payment (that&#039;s AFTER principal, interest, PMI, ins. &amp; taxes), I will drop 13 yrs. off of my mortgage!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree! If I keep my current payment at $137 extra on each monthly payment (that&#8217;s AFTER principal, interest, PMI, ins. &amp; taxes), I will drop 13 yrs. off of my mortgage!</p>
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		<title>By: DD</title>
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		<dc:creator>DD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s only if the market doesn&#039;t crash!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s only if the market doesn&#8217;t crash!</p>
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		<title>By: Suzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t it be smarter to pay off your home in 15 years instead of 30 years if you can.  I&#039;ve looked into this and it isn&#039;t much more per month to refinance a 15 year loan than the monthly cost for a 30 year loan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be smarter to pay off your home in 15 years instead of 30 years if you can.  I&#8217;ve looked into this and it isn&#8217;t much more per month to refinance a 15 year loan than the monthly cost for a 30 year loan.</p>
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		<title>By: shelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>shelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 06:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is paying by-weekly the same amount of intrest paid to the bank as one extra payment yrly ? Or do I pay more interest on one of them by the end of a 15 yr term ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is paying by-weekly the same amount of intrest paid to the bank as one extra payment yrly ? Or do I pay more interest on one of them by the end of a 15 yr term ?</p>
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		<title>By: JDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>JDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are you to say that not one person on this planet has the discipline to pay off a 30 year in half the time? I personally know of people paying off 30 year mortgages in under 10 years. Where is your logic now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are you to say that not one person on this planet has the discipline to pay off a 30 year in half the time? I personally know of people paying off 30 year mortgages in under 10 years. Where is your logic now?</p>
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