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		<title>By: shelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>shelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 06:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is paying by-weekly the same amount of intrest paid to the bank as one extra payment yrly ? Or do I pay more interest on one of them by the end of a 15 yr term ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is paying by-weekly the same amount of intrest paid to the bank as one extra payment yrly ? Or do I pay more interest on one of them by the end of a 15 yr term ?</p>
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		<title>By: JDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>JDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are you to say that not one person on this planet has the discipline to pay off a 30 year in half the time? I personally know of people paying off 30 year mortgages in under 10 years. Where is your logic now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are you to say that not one person on this planet has the discipline to pay off a 30 year in half the time? I personally know of people paying off 30 year mortgages in under 10 years. Where is your logic now?</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 03:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check your math again, buddy.

Reality is the 15 pays $132,676 in interest vs 30 pays $220,289 over 180 payments. That&#039;s a delta of $486 a month in savings.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check your math again, buddy.</p>
<p>Reality is the 15 pays $132,676 in interest vs 30 pays $220,289 over 180 payments. That&#8217;s a delta of $486 a month in savings.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 01:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post makes no sense if I&#039;m reading your math right..  The average inflation rate since 1950 is 3.84, and since 1990 is 2.95..  not sure where you are getting your 4% figure..

180 payments of $79.80 is $14,364, not the $10,788 you claim your calculator told you.  

AND you can only refinance if rates go lower, otherwise you lose money.  

Am I missing something, or possible doing the numbers totally wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post makes no sense if I&#8217;m reading your math right..  The average inflation rate since 1950 is 3.84, and since 1990 is 2.95..  not sure where you are getting your 4% figure..</p>
<p>180 payments of $79.80 is $14,364, not the $10,788 you claim your calculator told you.  </p>
<p>AND you can only refinance if rates go lower, otherwise you lose money.  </p>
<p>Am I missing something, or possible doing the numbers totally wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not one person on this planet has the discipline to pay off a 30 year in 15 years. I&#039;m sticking with my 15 year. 9.5 years left!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not one person on this planet has the discipline to pay off a 30 year in 15 years. I&#8217;m sticking with my 15 year. 9.5 years left!</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 18:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are mixing the term with the rate, which makes it confusing.  You could compare the 5.62% mortgage with the 5.2% mortgage on the same term of 15 years.  Obviously at the same term, the 5.2% mortgage is better.  But you don&#039;t have the option of paying 5.2% for 30 years.  The extra cost is the cost of freedom to stretch out the payments if you want to.

The 30 year term will always result in more interest, because you&#039;re carrying the balance for twice as long!  But the value comes in what you can do with the money instead of paying it to the bank.  If you can&#039;t do anything worthwhile with it (anything better than getting 5.62% on it, for example) then by all means, get the 15-year loan and save the extra $19K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are mixing the term with the rate, which makes it confusing.  You could compare the 5.62% mortgage with the 5.2% mortgage on the same term of 15 years.  Obviously at the same term, the 5.2% mortgage is better.  But you don&#8217;t have the option of paying 5.2% for 30 years.  The extra cost is the cost of freedom to stretch out the payments if you want to.</p>
<p>The 30 year term will always result in more interest, because you&#8217;re carrying the balance for twice as long!  But the value comes in what you can do with the money instead of paying it to the bank.  If you can&#8217;t do anything worthwhile with it (anything better than getting 5.62% on it, for example) then by all means, get the 15-year loan and save the extra $19K.</p>
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		<title>By: 1530</title>
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		<dc:creator>1530</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m doing a 15 year refinance from a 30 year fixed. I just don&#039;t have the discipline to add the additional funds. I&#039;ve tried, sometimes I can make the $200 or $500 added payment to principal but not every month, now the rates are significantly lower than my current 30yr at the 15yr fixed of today. A few years ago we refinanced a previous home with a 15 from a 30, threw extra money at that loan and rent that house out with the payoff in 3 years. So our $250 rental profit will become $1400 in 3 years. My first house was a 30yr and I wished the $1675 income I now make had started 15 years earlier. I know your numbers are right but my head wasn&#039;t. I needed that monthly obligation. In Europe I don&#039;t think they have 30 year notes. A cousin there worked two jobs for 6 years to pay off her 7 yr. note on a 85,000 Condo. Now the rental she receives allows her to live in a larger apt she is buying.  1530</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m doing a 15 year refinance from a 30 year fixed. I just don&#8217;t have the discipline to add the additional funds. I&#8217;ve tried, sometimes I can make the $200 or $500 added payment to principal but not every month, now the rates are significantly lower than my current 30yr at the 15yr fixed of today. A few years ago we refinanced a previous home with a 15 from a 30, threw extra money at that loan and rent that house out with the payoff in 3 years. So our $250 rental profit will become $1400 in 3 years. My first house was a 30yr and I wished the $1675 income I now make had started 15 years earlier. I know your numbers are right but my head wasn&#8217;t. I needed that monthly obligation. In Europe I don&#8217;t think they have 30 year notes. A cousin there worked two jobs for 6 years to pay off her 7 yr. note on a 85,000 Condo. Now the rental she receives allows her to live in a larger apt she is buying.  1530</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused. A $300K mortgage for 30 years at a rate of 5.62 amounts to a bit more than $621K by the time it&#039;s paid off. A $300K mortgage for 15 years at a rate of 5.20 amounts to a bit less than $433K by the time it&#039;s paid off. I can see that had the 30 year fixed mortgage been at a lower rate I would have saved a rather small amount of money maybe, but in the end going with a 15 year fixed still saved me $188K at the end of the day (well, at the end of 15 years, really) not $19K. What am I missing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused. A $300K mortgage for 30 years at a rate of 5.62 amounts to a bit more than $621K by the time it&#8217;s paid off. A $300K mortgage for 15 years at a rate of 5.20 amounts to a bit less than $433K by the time it&#8217;s paid off. I can see that had the 30 year fixed mortgage been at a lower rate I would have saved a rather small amount of money maybe, but in the end going with a 15 year fixed still saved me $188K at the end of the day (well, at the end of 15 years, really) not $19K. What am I missing?</p>
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		<title>By: Industry and Frugality</title>
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		<dc:creator>Industry and Frugality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 17:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really great post.  I never realized how big the difference between the 15 and 30 year mortgages really was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really great post.  I never realized how big the difference between the 15 and 30 year mortgages really was.</p>
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		<title>By: RalphF</title>
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		<dc:creator>RalphF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the group consensus on this issue if a) One plans to move in 5, 7, or 10 years and b) One is pretty confident of selling at a small gain (or at least, not at a loss).

As one who has never lived in any one place for particularly long, I find the discussion about &quot;getting the house paid off&quot; kind of irrelevant to me.  I&#039;m leaning towards a 30yr for the added flexibility and for the investment opportunity of the additional cash.  The 15 yr kind of strikes me as the type of mortgage to take out if a) one is looking to instill self-discipline and b) one plans to go deep into the term of the mortgage.  Is that a decent way to read this decision for one in my situation?

Thanks for this post and for the discussion.  Very helpful and great timing given I plan to refinance a 7/1ARM into a fixed this summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the group consensus on this issue if a) One plans to move in 5, 7, or 10 years and b) One is pretty confident of selling at a small gain (or at least, not at a loss).</p>
<p>As one who has never lived in any one place for particularly long, I find the discussion about &#8220;getting the house paid off&#8221; kind of irrelevant to me.  I&#8217;m leaning towards a 30yr for the added flexibility and for the investment opportunity of the additional cash.  The 15 yr kind of strikes me as the type of mortgage to take out if a) one is looking to instill self-discipline and b) one plans to go deep into the term of the mortgage.  Is that a decent way to read this decision for one in my situation?</p>
<p>Thanks for this post and for the discussion.  Very helpful and great timing given I plan to refinance a 7/1ARM into a fixed this summer.</p>
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		<title>By: Getting To Enough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Getting To Enough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been on the fence about whether my next mortgage will be a 15-year or a 30-year one, so I found this post to be especially relevant to me.

One aspect that I don&#039;t necessarily agree with is the notion that $10,788 isn&#039;t a lot of money in the context of a $300,000 mortgage.  I think that $10,788 in today&#039;s dollars IS a lot of money to someone who has a $300,000 mortgage.  It shouldn&#039;t matter that the $10,788 in savings is coming from a $300,000 mortgage.  It&#039;s the same as if you had saved it in any other way.

If you think about it, there&#039;s very few ideas that someone could read on a blog that would save them more than $10,000.

I do agree that you have to look at your own situation and decide whether the flexibility is important enough to you.  Especially important is the stability of your job in this economic environment.  I think the post does a great job of spelling out the real costs of the example mortgages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been on the fence about whether my next mortgage will be a 15-year or a 30-year one, so I found this post to be especially relevant to me.</p>
<p>One aspect that I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with is the notion that $10,788 isn&#8217;t a lot of money in the context of a $300,000 mortgage.  I think that $10,788 in today&#8217;s dollars IS a lot of money to someone who has a $300,000 mortgage.  It shouldn&#8217;t matter that the $10,788 in savings is coming from a $300,000 mortgage.  It&#8217;s the same as if you had saved it in any other way.</p>
<p>If you think about it, there&#8217;s very few ideas that someone could read on a blog that would save them more than $10,000.</p>
<p>I do agree that you have to look at your own situation and decide whether the flexibility is important enough to you.  Especially important is the stability of your job in this economic environment.  I think the post does a great job of spelling out the real costs of the example mortgages.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave (ChiefExecutiveRockStar)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave (ChiefExecutiveRockStar)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In considering value, one more factor (other than dollars and opportunity costs, as mentioned above) is where to place the risk.  It&#039;s not the greater the risk, the greater the reward (as any good broker will gladly advise you - hey, it&#039;s not THEM taking your risks).  

Banks like to reduce their risk by getting dollars returned sooner; plus this way they can loan out those dollars again.  They offer incentives for such behavior (lower rates on a 15 year).  

There are individuals who feel more comfortable allowing the bank/lender to hold the majority of risk for as long as possible - maybe even indefinately, thru refi&#039;s or interest-only loans.  

Learning to mitigate risk to zero or near zero is what banks move toward (banks, not bankers).  We could learn from this.
--Dave Charbonneau, CER</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In considering value, one more factor (other than dollars and opportunity costs, as mentioned above) is where to place the risk.  It&#8217;s not the greater the risk, the greater the reward (as any good broker will gladly advise you &#8211; hey, it&#8217;s not THEM taking your risks).  </p>
<p>Banks like to reduce their risk by getting dollars returned sooner; plus this way they can loan out those dollars again.  They offer incentives for such behavior (lower rates on a 15 year).  </p>
<p>There are individuals who feel more comfortable allowing the bank/lender to hold the majority of risk for as long as possible &#8211; maybe even indefinately, thru refi&#8217;s or interest-only loans.  </p>
<p>Learning to mitigate risk to zero or near zero is what banks move toward (banks, not bankers).  We could learn from this.<br />
&#8211;Dave Charbonneau, CER</p>
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		<title>By: NtJS</title>
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		<dc:creator>NtJS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with pre-paying a 30 like its a 15 is not the math.  It&#039;s the fact that most people with a 30 don&#039;t pre-pay it.  It&#039;s the habits, not the math.

Good analysis, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with pre-paying a 30 like its a 15 is not the math.  It&#8217;s the fact that most people with a 30 don&#8217;t pre-pay it.  It&#8217;s the habits, not the math.</p>
<p>Good analysis, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelli Myers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelli Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont go for long term loans and for me even that $80 matters. Since I strongly believe in saving so if I save $80, even if its quite a small amount it would add to my savings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont go for long term loans and for me even that $80 matters. Since I strongly believe in saving so if I save $80, even if its quite a small amount it would add to my savings.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Montville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Montville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The math may be right but it doesn&#039;t address the behavioral aspects of the 30 year mortgage.  As Marc (above) mentions, &lt;i&gt;The above analysis (and yours) only works if you have the discipline to not blow the extra money on crap.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s a big if.  With marketing and advertising being what it is a 15 year mortgage may be the only discipline people can muster to get rid of debt sooner rather than later.

To &lt;b&gt;Funny About Money&lt;/b&gt; -- one should always be building equity in their home regardless of market conditions.  No one can time the real estate market cycle any more effectively than they can time the stock market cycle. If we could, we&#039;d all be multi-millionaires. I really don&#039;t think we&#039;ll see an accelerated boom like we did from 2000 - 2005 ever again but the cycle will come back and appreciation will occur and when that happens people who have slowly but surely been building equity by paying down their mortgage will be in a better position to enjoy the good times (assuming they want to move...which is not a given).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The math may be right but it doesn&#8217;t address the behavioral aspects of the 30 year mortgage.  As Marc (above) mentions, <i>The above analysis (and yours) only works if you have the discipline to not blow the extra money on crap.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a big if.  With marketing and advertising being what it is a 15 year mortgage may be the only discipline people can muster to get rid of debt sooner rather than later.</p>
<p>To <b>Funny About Money</b> &#8212; one should always be building equity in their home regardless of market conditions.  No one can time the real estate market cycle any more effectively than they can time the stock market cycle. If we could, we&#8217;d all be multi-millionaires. I really don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ll see an accelerated boom like we did from 2000 &#8211; 2005 ever again but the cycle will come back and appreciation will occur and when that happens people who have slowly but surely been building equity by paying down their mortgage will be in a better position to enjoy the good times (assuming they want to move&#8230;which is not a given).</p>
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