5 Credit Questions with Fair Isaac’s Barry Paperno

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Following my guest post on my good friend JD’s Get Rich Slowly about How to Prepare for Buying a Home, I was contacted by a PR firm asking whether I’d be interested in talking with Barry Paperno, consumer operations manager at Fair Isaac. Fair Isaac is most well know for developing the FICO score, otherwise known as your credit score, which is probably one of the the most important numbers you need to know prior to getting a mortgage. Since it was relevant, I shot over five questions for Mr. Paperno and he was kind enough to answer them (I’m emphasized parts of his answers that I feel are valuable).

jim: Barry, could you give us a little background about yourself and your role at Fair Isaac?
Barry Paperno: Prior to joining Fair Isaac in 1995, I served as Operations Manager with Experian, running their San Francisco Bay Area consumer assistance office. There we provided credit reports and counseling to consumers, investigated disputed credit items, and corrected credit reporting errors. At Fair Isaac, I’ve helped educate lenders, credit bureaus, and consumers on FICO scoring; while managing customer service operations for I currently head up training and consumer education programs for Fair Isaac, and manage the FICO Forums online community at
jim: What are some simple steps consumers can take to improve their credit score?
Paperno: Other than the obvious step of paying bills on time, reducing credit card debt is the single best step people can take to help their score. A scoring factor called “credit card utilization” plays a big part in FICO scoring. This calculation, expressed as a percentage, looks at the proportion of balances to credit limits on your credit cards. While the general rule is “the lower the better,” the ideal utilization percentage is under 10%.
jim: What is the biggest mistake people make when it comes to their score?
Paperno: By not educating themselves about credit reports and credit scores well in advance of applying for credit, people often make the loan application process much more stressful than it needs to be — particularly if errors on the credit report are resulting in a lower than expected FICO score. It’s important to understand that the credit bureau investigation process for correcting errors typically takes about 30 days to complete, and that your FICO score can’t change unless the credit information used in the score is corrected. So, if you’re going to be applying for credit, check your credit report and FICO score early on, so that if there’s an error you’ll have time to get the necessary corrections made.
jim: What are some common misconceptions people have about their credit score?
Paperno: A couple of the most common scoring misconceptions are: 1) if you pay off your credit card balances in full each month you will always have good score; and 2) if you have too much available credit your score will suffer:

  1. For most people, paying off their credit card balances each month is a great way to ensure a high score. For those who tend to max out their cards before paying them off each month, however, it’s a different story. The credit card balance showing on your last monthly bill is typically the balance that the lender will report to the credit bureau, so that’s what will show up on your credit report as the account’s balance. If your “credit card utilization” percentage is high as the result of having charged up to the limit before paying it, your score could be hurt. The solution here is to either make sure you have enough available credit so that your normal credit card activity doesn’t hurt your score, or cut back on your charging habits.
  2. The “conventional wisdom” for many years, particularly among mortgage lenders, was that too much unused available credit could indicate a high level of future risk to a lender if the borrower were to use that credit at a later date. As a result, for years people have been advised to close credit cards as one way to reduce this potential risk and raise their FICO scores. While it’s not hard to understand the rationale that went into this thinking, the results of extensive research conducted by Fair Isaac show that, on the contrary, a high amount of unused available credit is actually helpful for your score — along with a good payment record, low percentage of “credit card utilization,” and a sufficient length of credit history. My recommendation here is to simply leave those unused credit cards open.
jim: Do you have any recommendations for young people just starting to develop a credit history?
  1. Always pay everything on time, use your credit cards moderately so their balances stay as low as possible, and open new accounts only when necessary.
  2. Be aware that you don’t need a lot of credit to have a good FICO score. All you need is one account on your credit report that has been open for at least six months and that you have used at least once within the past several months.
  3. If you’re looking to obtain your first credit account, a “secured” Visa or Mastercard that’s reported monthly to the credit bureau is an excellent way to start developing a credit history. It works just like a bank card, with the difference being that the potential risk to the lender is reduced. The lender will set your available credit line equal to an amount you place on deposit in a savings account. This deposited amount can then be used as collateral for the debt should you fail to make the monthly payments. A secured card, when paid as agreed for a period of time, often later converts to an “unsecured” account with a higher credit limit and no deposit requirement.


The main takeaways that I got from interviewing Barry was that the majority of your score is determined by sound credit management – pay on-time, don’t get too extended, simply be responsible. However, at the edges, such as getting your score that extra ten points, depends on optimizing some of your decisions. For example, one of the more recently popular credit tips involving not canceling unused cards, a tip Barry mentioned. Keeping them open means your utilization is lower (which is good) and runs counter to the advice even the professionals would give.

Another idea, one that is intuitively obvious but often overlooked, is the fact that you could have mistakes on your report and those mistakes take up to thirty days to correct. If you need a loan within thirty days, it could be using a score that reflects inaccurate or incorrect information. This makes sense to people, it’s simply a matter of remembering it!

Remember, you get a free copy of your credit report from from each of the credit bureaus every single year. It won’t include a score but it will include your history, which you can verify as correct. If you want your score, many hardcore credit score watchers from the likes of (quite possibly the most popular credit related forum with nearly 75,000 members) really like

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3 Responses to “5 Credit Questions with Fair Isaac’s Barry Paperno”

  1. Mr. Paperno and his Fair Isaac profit-machine are right to be concerned. He is worried that economic events may provide a shock-cure for the millions of Amedican consumers who are addicted to credit and obsessed with credit scores. Heck, it might turn some consumers to the dark side of saving instead of spending. That would be bad for Fair Isaac and its credit bureau partners. So now he invokes his PR machine to promote a “consumer friendly” image for the credit industry.

    You should have asked him how many of the mortgage holders now in default had high credit scores when they purchased or re-financed.

    • BungalowMo says:

      Mr Tough wrote: You should have asked him how many of the mortgage holders now in default had high credit scores when they purchased or re-financed.

      No matter what their scores were, the lending institutions always do a manual review and make a decision based on the entire financial picture of the client.

      The banks got greedy & decided to lower their standards because the $$ was flowing & life was sweet.

      Then the bubble burst.

      It’s not the FICO scoring system to blame. The FICO score is just another tool to be used in the process of decision making.

      That would be like blaming the maker of the screwdriver for the fact that your home collapsed, because you used the screwdriver as a hammer on the 2×4’s.

      Put the blame where it belongs…in the laps of those who decided to save time & use only one tool instead of the contents of the entire tool box.

  2. Samuel L. Thompson says:

    Hello Barry, can you possibly give me a call at 510-774-9355 and I hope you’ll recall my name and events that you supported me, one for the ARBP’s in Oakalnd, Ca. and I pray all is well.

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