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	<title>Comments on: In Defense of Artificial Christmas Trees</title>
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		<title>By: AJ Kumar</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ Kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have originally gone with the real tree because I love the smell of a real tree. I was recently introduced to candles that have the same smell. Now you can have the fake tree with the real smell. Life is good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have originally gone with the real tree because I love the smell of a real tree. I was recently introduced to candles that have the same smell. Now you can have the fake tree with the real smell. Life is good.</p>
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		<title>By: danisaacs</title>
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		<dc:creator>danisaacs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 04:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Artificial.  There just isn&#039;t even a debate.  No mess.  No headache.  I put the lights on mine 6 years ago, and haven&#039;t had to do it since.  How much time is spent locating, transporting, lighting, watering, sweeping up needles for murdered trees?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artificial.  There just isn&#8217;t even a debate.  No mess.  No headache.  I put the lights on mine 6 years ago, and haven&#8217;t had to do it since.  How much time is spent locating, transporting, lighting, watering, sweeping up needles for murdered trees?</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also a fan of artificial Christmas trees even though I graduated from a forestry school.</description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fake.

I fall into the &quot;allergic&quot; category, so it&#039;s not really a choice. Ironically, my wife and I have yet to buy a tree, since we&#039;ve always ended up celebrating Christmas with family in Michigan, so we didn&#039;t see much point.

As my grandmother just died last night, it&#039;s looking like that tradition may not continue past this year. So it&#039;s likely we&#039;ll pick up a dirt-cheap artificial tree right after xmas, and use it starting next year when we host our OWN Christmas party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fake.</p>
<p>I fall into the &#8220;allergic&#8221; category, so it&#8217;s not really a choice. Ironically, my wife and I have yet to buy a tree, since we&#8217;ve always ended up celebrating Christmas with family in Michigan, so we didn&#8217;t see much point.</p>
<p>As my grandmother just died last night, it&#8217;s looking like that tradition may not continue past this year. So it&#8217;s likely we&#8217;ll pick up a dirt-cheap artificial tree right after xmas, and use it starting next year when we host our OWN Christmas party.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer the look and smell of a real pine tree, but we&#039;ve had our fake christmas tree for years now. It really doesn&#039;t look that bad, it&#039;s cheaper and more eco-friendly as you mentioned.  

As far as missing the smell, this year we found some scented pine tree plugins at bath and body works that smell exactly like a real tree.  We plugged those in and its more like having the real thing now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer the look and smell of a real pine tree, but we&#8217;ve had our fake christmas tree for years now. It really doesn&#8217;t look that bad, it&#8217;s cheaper and more eco-friendly as you mentioned.  </p>
<p>As far as missing the smell, this year we found some scented pine tree plugins at bath and body works that smell exactly like a real tree.  We plugged those in and its more like having the real thing now!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie PTY</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie PTY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my relatively short lifetime, I&#039;ve had both real and fake trees. Growing up, we had a two-story living room that my father loved to fill with two-story trees from our yard! For many years after that, though, we had a fake tree that didn&#039;t survive the last time my mother moved house.

I don&#039;t have a strong opinion either way - some people have allergies, so a fake tree is better for them. I prefer real trees, since they encourage people to grow trees and you can recycle them when they&#039;re done. That&#039;s the greenie in me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my relatively short lifetime, I&#8217;ve had both real and fake trees. Growing up, we had a two-story living room that my father loved to fill with two-story trees from our yard! For many years after that, though, we had a fake tree that didn&#8217;t survive the last time my mother moved house.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a strong opinion either way &#8211; some people have allergies, so a fake tree is better for them. I prefer real trees, since they encourage people to grow trees and you can recycle them when they&#8217;re done. That&#8217;s the greenie in me!</p>
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		<title>By: Traciatim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Traciatim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, if you count an abomination of a tree-like-cone douced with toxic chemicals all over it, processed from oil, build in a slave labour camp, and shipped half way around the planet as &#039;better&#039; then yes, a fake tree is the way to go. 

If you prefer a sustainable local resource, that&#039;s bio-degradable, and safe then real is the way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, if you count an abomination of a tree-like-cone douced with toxic chemicals all over it, processed from oil, build in a slave labour camp, and shipped half way around the planet as &#8216;better&#8217; then yes, a fake tree is the way to go. </p>
<p>If you prefer a sustainable local resource, that&#8217;s bio-degradable, and safe then real is the way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Aman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fake is better if your looking for a better value in my opinion.

With proper care and storage, those fake trees can last many many years without need for replacement.

Real trees obviously need energy for cultivation, energy for transportation and energy (water) to prolong its life in the home and prevent dryness (fire hazard). I know plastic trees are made with chemicals but the thing is, its only once compared to a yearly cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fake is better if your looking for a better value in my opinion.</p>
<p>With proper care and storage, those fake trees can last many many years without need for replacement.</p>
<p>Real trees obviously need energy for cultivation, energy for transportation and energy (water) to prolong its life in the home and prevent dryness (fire hazard). I know plastic trees are made with chemicals but the thing is, its only once compared to a yearly cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We always had a fake tree growing up because my dad is one of the allergic ones, but my grandparents had a real one so we got to see/smell that one. When my sister got married, my brother in law convinced my dad for a few years to get a real tree. Then came the year that dad had to sleep in the living room with the tree, with his allergies. Needless (or would that be needles to say?) that was the end of the real tree at my folks&#039; house!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We always had a fake tree growing up because my dad is one of the allergic ones, but my grandparents had a real one so we got to see/smell that one. When my sister got married, my brother in law convinced my dad for a few years to get a real tree. Then came the year that dad had to sleep in the living room with the tree, with his allergies. Needless (or would that be needles to say?) that was the end of the real tree at my folks&#8217; house!</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always had real, and I think I always will! I love the fresh pine smell of a real tree. I like the authenticity of a real tree - it feels cozier somehow. Also, as Brad mentioned, getting a real tree is not non-eco-friendly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always had real, and I think I always will! I love the fresh pine smell of a real tree. I like the authenticity of a real tree &#8211; it feels cozier somehow. Also, as Brad mentioned, getting a real tree is not non-eco-friendly.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose you can get some credit for a used artificial tree, but only for delaying it&#039;s inevitable eternity in a landfill for another 10 years or so.  In this case you can certainly claim that you are only a steward of said tree and not responsible for its origins.

My point is that artificial trees being eco-friendly is a common misconception.  Besides what I listed above, artificial trees are made from PVC, a petroleum-derived plastic.  So you&#039;re also using non-renewable resources in the tree itself.  And as such, it isn&#039;t the sort of plastic that can be recycled or that biodegrades with ease -- eternity in a landfill, in this case, isn&#039;t neccesarily hyperbole.

Artificial trees are also prone to containing lead, also used in the manufacturing process.  Some even contain warning labels.  Not that China ever ships anything our way that may improperly contain lead.  Merry Christmas, kids -- don&#039;t touch the tree.

Hey, I appreciate cheap, truly.  It&#039;s why I read your blog.  But, real trees are the winner, by the standards of almost every piece of research conducted by any professional or academic study not performed by the artificial tree industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose you can get some credit for a used artificial tree, but only for delaying it&#8217;s inevitable eternity in a landfill for another 10 years or so.  In this case you can certainly claim that you are only a steward of said tree and not responsible for its origins.</p>
<p>My point is that artificial trees being eco-friendly is a common misconception.  Besides what I listed above, artificial trees are made from PVC, a petroleum-derived plastic.  So you&#8217;re also using non-renewable resources in the tree itself.  And as such, it isn&#8217;t the sort of plastic that can be recycled or that biodegrades with ease &#8212; eternity in a landfill, in this case, isn&#8217;t neccesarily hyperbole.</p>
<p>Artificial trees are also prone to containing lead, also used in the manufacturing process.  Some even contain warning labels.  Not that China ever ships anything our way that may improperly contain lead.  Merry Christmas, kids &#8212; don&#8217;t touch the tree.</p>
<p>Hey, I appreciate cheap, truly.  It&#8217;s why I read your blog.  But, real trees are the winner, by the standards of almost every piece of research conducted by any professional or academic study not performed by the artificial tree industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fake trees rule - I got one last year and I will never go back to real trees.   Mine is prelit, so I litterally pull it out of the box, fluff it up, and voila, christmas time!!  

I remember growing up and spending all day driving to the tree farm, cutting it down, bringing it home, mashing it into the stand, putting it up - then untangling 10 strands of lights, figuring out which work and which don&#039;t and putting them on.  I&#039;m tired just typing that.

I also like that it is symetrical - I remember always having to figure out what side looked worst, so it could be stuck in the corner.  Not a problem with a fake tree - all sides are equally beautiful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fake trees rule &#8211; I got one last year and I will never go back to real trees.   Mine is prelit, so I litterally pull it out of the box, fluff it up, and voila, christmas time!!  </p>
<p>I remember growing up and spending all day driving to the tree farm, cutting it down, bringing it home, mashing it into the stand, putting it up &#8211; then untangling 10 strands of lights, figuring out which work and which don&#8217;t and putting them on.  I&#8217;m tired just typing that.</p>
<p>I also like that it is symetrical &#8211; I remember always having to figure out what side looked worst, so it could be stuck in the corner.  Not a problem with a fake tree &#8211; all sides are equally beautiful!</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brad: I don&#039;t think that&#039;s accurate saying a $4/day latte habit and stimulating the economy is anything like buying an artificial tree. I can keep the tree that I have for many many years, transporting it once from China and having it manufactured once. The tree can easily last ten years (if not 15 or 20). To say a real tree is carbon neutral seems a bit dishonest, the tree requires resources to be grown and transported, which are not inconsequential costs. I understand that real trees can be recycled and that they will biodegrade, whereas artificial trees will likely never degrade, but real trees aren&#039;t necessarily the winner either.

How about this scenario though, we bought our artificial tree used off Craigslist. We in essence rescued a fake tree from the landfill, does that make it greener than buying a live tree? I&#039;m not trying to race towards some ecofriendly finish line or try to be the most ecofriendly person in the world, but I think we should get some credit for a used artificial tree?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brad: I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s accurate saying a $4/day latte habit and stimulating the economy is anything like buying an artificial tree. I can keep the tree that I have for many many years, transporting it once from China and having it manufactured once. The tree can easily last ten years (if not 15 or 20). To say a real tree is carbon neutral seems a bit dishonest, the tree requires resources to be grown and transported, which are not inconsequential costs. I understand that real trees can be recycled and that they will biodegrade, whereas artificial trees will likely never degrade, but real trees aren&#8217;t necessarily the winner either.</p>
<p>How about this scenario though, we bought our artificial tree used off Craigslist. We in essence rescued a fake tree from the landfill, does that make it greener than buying a live tree? I&#8217;m not trying to race towards some ecofriendly finish line or try to be the most ecofriendly person in the world, but I think we should get some credit for a used artificial tree?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your work, but you&#039;re wrong on this one -- there is nothing eco-friendly about a fake tree as opposed to a real one.  Live Christmas trees come almost exclusively from tree farms, where a tree is planted for each cut.  So it&#039;s carbon neutral, except for the gas needed in transport.

Your artificial tree has a transport factor as well, only it&#039;s coming to your living room via China with 99% certainty.  It&#039;s also likely to outlast you and your great-grandchildren in the landfill it eventually occupies.  Energy is also consumed (and byproducts produced) in the manufacturing of the fake tree, whereas a live one benefits the environment at every stage of its growth -- and even after its &quot;consumption&quot;

Again, I don&#039;t consider myself the most green person in the world, but claiming it&#039;s environmentally friendly is one of the lazy and insincere justifications people give for having fake trees.  In personal finance parlance, it&#039;s like someone justifying their $4/day latte habit by saying, &quot;hey, I&#039;m helping out the local economy.&quot;  Yeah, that&#039;s why you do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your work, but you&#8217;re wrong on this one &#8212; there is nothing eco-friendly about a fake tree as opposed to a real one.  Live Christmas trees come almost exclusively from tree farms, where a tree is planted for each cut.  So it&#8217;s carbon neutral, except for the gas needed in transport.</p>
<p>Your artificial tree has a transport factor as well, only it&#8217;s coming to your living room via China with 99% certainty.  It&#8217;s also likely to outlast you and your great-grandchildren in the landfill it eventually occupies.  Energy is also consumed (and byproducts produced) in the manufacturing of the fake tree, whereas a live one benefits the environment at every stage of its growth &#8212; and even after its &#8220;consumption&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, I don&#8217;t consider myself the most green person in the world, but claiming it&#8217;s environmentally friendly is one of the lazy and insincere justifications people give for having fake trees.  In personal finance parlance, it&#8217;s like someone justifying their $4/day latte habit by saying, &#8220;hey, I&#8217;m helping out the local economy.&#8221;  Yeah, that&#8217;s why you do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We almost always had a fake tree when I was growing up. I hated the darn thing. It was too &quot;perfect&quot; and the metal needles were really pokey. We lived in Florida, so we didn&#039;t have the opportunity to go tree hunting. 

The one big thing that I like about artificial, and the reason why I have one now as an adult even though I always BEGGED for a real tree as a kid, is that it lasts longer. I like to put up my tree right after Thanksgiving and leave it up til New Years Day (at least). I don&#039;t think real trees last that long, unless you buy the kind in the bucket, but I have no where to plant that afterward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We almost always had a fake tree when I was growing up. I hated the darn thing. It was too &#8220;perfect&#8221; and the metal needles were really pokey. We lived in Florida, so we didn&#8217;t have the opportunity to go tree hunting. </p>
<p>The one big thing that I like about artificial, and the reason why I have one now as an adult even though I always BEGGED for a real tree as a kid, is that it lasts longer. I like to put up my tree right after Thanksgiving and leave it up til New Years Day (at least). I don&#8217;t think real trees last that long, unless you buy the kind in the bucket, but I have no where to plant that afterward.</p>
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