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		<title>By: maurice</title>
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		<dc:creator>maurice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 02:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just cancelled my american airlines aadvantage card from citi which I&#039;ve had for more that 5 years.  I was completely flabbergasted to find out that if one takes a cash advance, citi charges you interest IMMEDIATELY not only on the cash advance amount, but also only your entire regular (non-cash-advance) balance!  So this interest accrues on your regular purchases EVEN IF YOU PAY THE BALANCE IN FULL EVERY MONTH.  

For me this added up to between $100/month and $150/month each for several different months in which I had a cash advance even though I always paid off the balance in full every month.  These interest changes were often as big as the whole value of the cash advances I made which were between $100 &amp; $400.  In my opinion this is a sneaky, despicable practice. FYI, I didn&#039;t even know I was making cash advances at the time.  

The &quot;cash advances&quot; that I made were from using my card to make several relatively small western union transfers to a relative.  Apparently these transaction are considered cash advances, which isn&#039;t unreasonable in retrospect.  What was unreasonable were the charges for interest for other purchases even though the entire credit card balance was paid off in full every month.

Unfortunately I didn&#039;t read my statements carefully for several months in a row, and when I figured out what was going on the citi representatives only offered to refund the last month&#039;s interest charge.  I then promptly cancelled the card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just cancelled my american airlines aadvantage card from citi which I&#8217;ve had for more that 5 years.  I was completely flabbergasted to find out that if one takes a cash advance, citi charges you interest IMMEDIATELY not only on the cash advance amount, but also only your entire regular (non-cash-advance) balance!  So this interest accrues on your regular purchases EVEN IF YOU PAY THE BALANCE IN FULL EVERY MONTH.  </p>
<p>For me this added up to between $100/month and $150/month each for several different months in which I had a cash advance even though I always paid off the balance in full every month.  These interest changes were often as big as the whole value of the cash advances I made which were between $100 &amp; $400.  In my opinion this is a sneaky, despicable practice. FYI, I didn&#8217;t even know I was making cash advances at the time.  </p>
<p>The &#8220;cash advances&#8221; that I made were from using my card to make several relatively small western union transfers to a relative.  Apparently these transaction are considered cash advances, which isn&#8217;t unreasonable in retrospect.  What was unreasonable were the charges for interest for other purchases even though the entire credit card balance was paid off in full every month.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I didn&#8217;t read my statements carefully for several months in a row, and when I figured out what was going on the citi representatives only offered to refund the last month&#8217;s interest charge.  I then promptly cancelled the card.</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 17:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for put this out! I just send money by western union and my credit card charged me the fee plus the interest. I didn&#039;t expect this, but like you guys said live and learn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for put this out! I just send money by western union and my credit card charged me the fee plus the interest. I didn&#8217;t expect this, but like you guys said live and learn!</p>
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		<title>By: XXX</title>
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		<dc:creator>XXX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 02:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two separate things...

Andrew: Did you check that your $10 transaction was during a period of waived transfer fees?  If not, that might explain the fee.

Jim and Steven: In order to get cash back with your purchase, your card must be a credit card that can also be used as a debit card (which is why after you swipe at the register, you must choose to process the transaction as either credit or debit).  To my knowledge, these cards only exist only in the U.S.  If you happen to be from a different country, I don&#039;t think the advice of going to a grocery store and getting cash back with your small purchase is applicable, or for that matter, possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two separate things&#8230;</p>
<p>Andrew: Did you check that your $10 transaction was during a period of waived transfer fees?  If not, that might explain the fee.</p>
<p>Jim and Steven: In order to get cash back with your purchase, your card must be a credit card that can also be used as a debit card (which is why after you swipe at the register, you must choose to process the transaction as either credit or debit).  To my knowledge, these cards only exist only in the U.S.  If you happen to be from a different country, I don&#8217;t think the advice of going to a grocery store and getting cash back with your small purchase is applicable, or for that matter, possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 10:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Cheap Bastard, the Capital One cash advance strategy no longer works. I overpaid my balance by $200. My credit limit was $1K (all of it available as cash) and my positive balance was ($200). That, capital one owed $200 it to me at that point. I went to an ATM machine and got a cash advance of $150. The next day I was charged a $10 &quot;front cash front end fee&quot;, my balance become ($40), and my available credit was still $1K. So at least now they charge the cash advance fee no matter if you have overpaid them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Cheap Bastard, the Capital One cash advance strategy no longer works. I overpaid my balance by $200. My credit limit was $1K (all of it available as cash) and my positive balance was ($200). That, capital one owed $200 it to me at that point. I went to an ATM machine and got a cash advance of $150. The next day I was charged a $10 &#8220;front cash front end fee&#8221;, my balance become ($40), and my available credit was still $1K. So at least now they charge the cash advance fee no matter if you have overpaid them.</p>
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		<title>By: LM</title>
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		<dc:creator>LM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 19:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am thinking the same thing.  Although I&#039;ve never used a cash advance, I pay off each time I receive the bill.  Is it wise to do this just for the points?  What is the fee?  And lastly, does the fee outweigh the benefit of points?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am thinking the same thing.  Although I&#8217;ve never used a cash advance, I pay off each time I receive the bill.  Is it wise to do this just for the points?  What is the fee?  And lastly, does the fee outweigh the benefit of points?</p>
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		<title>By: justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There should be a company out there that would offer people an emergency cash advance through their credit card by processing a &quot;purchace&quot; for nothing and giving the customer either the cash (operating in a storefront) or a check or bankwire, less some small fee to cover their own profits and merchant costs of processing the cc payments. Then only the regular purchase rates would apply. Although, I only wonder how such a company could avoid chargebacks, and especially avoid fraudulent stolen credit card use. I suppose that would likely sink the whole concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There should be a company out there that would offer people an emergency cash advance through their credit card by processing a &#8220;purchace&#8221; for nothing and giving the customer either the cash (operating in a storefront) or a check or bankwire, less some small fee to cover their own profits and merchant costs of processing the cc payments. Then only the regular purchase rates would apply. Although, I only wonder how such a company could avoid chargebacks, and especially avoid fraudulent stolen credit card use. I suppose that would likely sink the whole concept.</p>
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		<title>By: aua868s</title>
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		<dc:creator>aua868s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chase freedom does that for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chase freedom does that for you.</p>
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		<title>By: basicmoneytips</title>
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		<dc:creator>basicmoneytips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article, however, you need to be cautious about the recommendation on going to a grocery store and making a purchase and getting cash back.  I work in the financial software industry and that type of transaction is usually treated as a 2 part transaction - the purchase and then the cash back.  The cash back is treated like the cash advance and all the rules still apply.  In most systems it is a relatively small change to do this, and with the regulation of fees for credit cards hitting, you can bet the card issuer is not going to overlook this one....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, however, you need to be cautious about the recommendation on going to a grocery store and making a purchase and getting cash back.  I work in the financial software industry and that type of transaction is usually treated as a 2 part transaction &#8211; the purchase and then the cash back.  The cash back is treated like the cash advance and all the rules still apply.  In most systems it is a relatively small change to do this, and with the regulation of fees for credit cards hitting, you can bet the card issuer is not going to overlook this one&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is anyone still getting 0 interest or 0 fee purchase checks?  If so with who?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is anyone still getting 0 interest or 0 fee purchase checks?  If so with who?</p>
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		<title>By: Cheap Bastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheap Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never tried it.. however, it&#039;s not hard to see why a bank would not offer a zero or extra low cash advance limit.  It&#039;s in the banks interest for consumers to dig deep, make impulse decisions with their money.  They want you to bottom out at the casino, and take a cash advance out of desperation.  

It&#039;s because banks are geared toward exploiting consumers in this manner that Obama signed to make credit limits firm.  With Citibank for example, the credit limit is currently meaningless - consumers are free to spend well over the limit, and there&#039;s no mechanism to stop them from getting in over their heads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never tried it.. however, it&#8217;s not hard to see why a bank would not offer a zero or extra low cash advance limit.  It&#8217;s in the banks interest for consumers to dig deep, make impulse decisions with their money.  They want you to bottom out at the casino, and take a cash advance out of desperation.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s because banks are geared toward exploiting consumers in this manner that Obama signed to make credit limits firm.  With Citibank for example, the credit limit is currently meaningless &#8211; consumers are free to spend well over the limit, and there&#8217;s no mechanism to stop them from getting in over their heads.</p>
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		<title>By: aua868s</title>
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		<dc:creator>aua868s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>have any of you had such an experience (not able to zero out cash advance limit without reducing the cretit limit)with Chase Bank? If BoA could do it, why not Chase? is it just that customer representative or the general policy of Chase? any thoughts?!?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>have any of you had such an experience (not able to zero out cash advance limit without reducing the cretit limit)with Chase Bank? If BoA could do it, why not Chase? is it just that customer representative or the general policy of Chase? any thoughts?!?!</p>
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		<title>By: Cheap Bastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheap Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good security move!  In case someone gets your credit card and pin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good security move!  In case someone gets your credit card and pin.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheap Bastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheap Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not a PoS transaction, so I&#039;m not sure why you would expect a PoS fee.  

Although I see what drives the question, because the card network must have a way of charging the card issuer.  Normally there is a &quot;transfer fee&quot;, which is often the same for cash advances as it is for balance transfers.  I suspect that&#039;s where visa profits, and in the cases where there is a promo offering no transaction fees, the issuing bank is simply eating the fee, and choosing not to pass the fee on to the customer (because they&#039;ll make that back in interest from most of the card holders most of whome don&#039;t know the trick of loading a credit on their acct).

Anyway, Cap One charged no fee of any kind when I was pulling out cash advances as a means for currency exchange.  The whole transaction was effectively free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a PoS transaction, so I&#8217;m not sure why you would expect a PoS fee.  </p>
<p>Although I see what drives the question, because the card network must have a way of charging the card issuer.  Normally there is a &#8220;transfer fee&#8221;, which is often the same for cash advances as it is for balance transfers.  I suspect that&#8217;s where visa profits, and in the cases where there is a promo offering no transaction fees, the issuing bank is simply eating the fee, and choosing not to pass the fee on to the customer (because they&#8217;ll make that back in interest from most of the card holders most of whome don&#8217;t know the trick of loading a credit on their acct).</p>
<p>Anyway, Cap One charged no fee of any kind when I was pulling out cash advances as a means for currency exchange.  The whole transaction was effectively free.</p>
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		<title>By: aua868s</title>
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		<dc:creator>aua868s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just called up citibank and asked them to zero out my cash advance limit..they did....tried the same with chase..they said they cannot do it unless they reduce my overall credit limit as well....interesting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just called up citibank and asked them to zero out my cash advance limit..they did&#8230;.tried the same with chase..they said they cannot do it unless they reduce my overall credit limit as well&#8230;.interesting</p>
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		<title>By: SavingEverything</title>
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		<dc:creator>SavingEverything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. In regards to cash advances, I&#039;ve heard that you can use YourBank&#039;s Checking Account&#039;s Debit Card (visa or mastercard) for cash advances by going to any financial institution (FI) with properID, card, and request your $ amount (either no more than yourbank&#039;s daily cash or pos (?) withdrawal limit or the FI&#039;s limit). But, it seems that most of YourBank&#039;s will impose a $2, $3, $5 transaction fee. However, I&#039;m unclear if they will also charge a POS transaction fee, from 1-3% of the amount?!? Does anyone know? Such as the INGDirect Electric Orange checking? SunTrust? PNC? BankofAmerica? Chase? CapitalOne? WellsFargo Wachovia? BBTB?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. In regards to cash advances, I&#8217;ve heard that you can use YourBank&#8217;s Checking Account&#8217;s Debit Card (visa or mastercard) for cash advances by going to any financial institution (FI) with properID, card, and request your $ amount (either no more than yourbank&#8217;s daily cash or pos (?) withdrawal limit or the FI&#8217;s limit). But, it seems that most of YourBank&#8217;s will impose a $2, $3, $5 transaction fee. However, I&#8217;m unclear if they will also charge a POS transaction fee, from 1-3% of the amount?!? Does anyone know? Such as the INGDirect Electric Orange checking? SunTrust? PNC? BankofAmerica? Chase? CapitalOne? WellsFargo Wachovia? BBTB?</p>
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