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		<title>By: Mills Tuttle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mills Tuttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2011 00:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have approximately $80,000 to invest. I need the safest and the greatest income return I can get. All suggestions welcomed!</description>
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		<title>By: David S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Redshield,
Your example is completely flawed due to the fact that you are using an 8% return on muni-bonds.  That rate of return simply does not exist nor will it ever.  In fact, most muni-bonds throughout the country are so conservative that the YTM averages less than half of your 8%, at a measley 2 to 3%.  That&#039;s God-awful and not very appetizing at all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Redshield,<br />
Your example is completely flawed due to the fact that you are using an 8% return on muni-bonds.  That rate of return simply does not exist nor will it ever.  In fact, most muni-bonds throughout the country are so conservative that the YTM averages less than half of your 8%, at a measley 2 to 3%.  That&#8217;s God-awful and not very appetizing at all!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Redshield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Redshield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article.  I will add some extreme important facts.

Munical Bonds can be Revenue or General Obligation.  You need to get the General Obligation because these are backed by a Govt ability to tax the people making default virtually impossible as long as their lives people in the municipality to tax.  

Now the most important reason on earth to get these bonds.  The richest family on earth holding over 500 trillion dollars gets them, yes the Rothschilds.

Do a search on youtube for this title &quot;Evelyn De Rothschild Warning Masses - Too Late (Holding Bonds, Oil, Gold)&quot; and you will see a video from CNBC the most trusted name in news showing Lord Rothschild saying during an interview with Maria Bartiromo that he personally invests only in Tax Free muni bonds.

Also do a search for &quot;the money masters&quot; and you will see just how rich Lord Rothschild is and that the Federal reserve itself buys bonds as a hedge before it lends money to guarentee that the USA Govt has to tax the people to pay them back.

You do not buy these strictly because your in a upper tax bracket.  You should buy these to offset your core.  Your core is bills that you have from when your younger till older that never go away such as rent and electic.

Forget that nonsense about investing for growth and wait till your retired to do fixed income.  I would atleast put 20% in fixed income Triple tax free muni bonds at any time and at least 5000 a year or if your richer 20% of your portfolio untill such time you have your core bills taken care of.  This way you take the interest payment that is semi yearly and save it for just one year.  Now you divide by 12 and have a monthly tax free income.

Example.  15,000 dollars put in Tax free muni bond paying 8% coupon.  You get 1200 a year.  Wait to get both 600 dollar twice annual payments totalling 1200 then divide it by twelve.  Its like you have a check for 100$ a month for life because you simply reivest the 15000 each year at the 8%  You simply buy more bonds each year to hedge against the inflation as your still putting atleast 5,000 dollars every year at minimum no matter what.

Sure you will lose money from interest rate but that 100$ today is money in your pocket backed by the govt that will pay your cellphone bill.

Then you keep the cycle going untill you have enough to pay all your core bills on interest income alone.  Core bills are like your rent, electric, gas, water, phone, food.  Not your cable, magazine subscribe, fancy restaurant, and credit cards, or other bills you dont need or want to survive on.  (you eventually do a 2nd investment core for those fun things)

So the plan is to have tax free income from muni bonds paying 8% and having that to cover your lifes core bill, the bills that will never leave you ever like rent.  Even when you own your home free and clear you pay rent.  Dont believe it, take your yearly property tax and divide it by 12 and see how fast you pay estimate 425$ a month to live in your home you own, so just get a tax free muni bond to cancel out the 425 and only then are you freed from the financial banking slavery system, and good luck :)

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The above is not investment advice but rather an a example of why to invest in tax free muni bonds that are guarenteed income backed by the municipalities ability to tax its people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article.  I will add some extreme important facts.</p>
<p>Munical Bonds can be Revenue or General Obligation.  You need to get the General Obligation because these are backed by a Govt ability to tax the people making default virtually impossible as long as their lives people in the municipality to tax.  </p>
<p>Now the most important reason on earth to get these bonds.  The richest family on earth holding over 500 trillion dollars gets them, yes the Rothschilds.</p>
<p>Do a search on youtube for this title &#8220;Evelyn De Rothschild Warning Masses &#8211; Too Late (Holding Bonds, Oil, Gold)&#8221; and you will see a video from CNBC the most trusted name in news showing Lord Rothschild saying during an interview with Maria Bartiromo that he personally invests only in Tax Free muni bonds.</p>
<p>Also do a search for &#8220;the money masters&#8221; and you will see just how rich Lord Rothschild is and that the Federal reserve itself buys bonds as a hedge before it lends money to guarentee that the USA Govt has to tax the people to pay them back.</p>
<p>You do not buy these strictly because your in a upper tax bracket.  You should buy these to offset your core.  Your core is bills that you have from when your younger till older that never go away such as rent and electic.</p>
<p>Forget that nonsense about investing for growth and wait till your retired to do fixed income.  I would atleast put 20% in fixed income Triple tax free muni bonds at any time and at least 5000 a year or if your richer 20% of your portfolio untill such time you have your core bills taken care of.  This way you take the interest payment that is semi yearly and save it for just one year.  Now you divide by 12 and have a monthly tax free income.</p>
<p>Example.  15,000 dollars put in Tax free muni bond paying 8% coupon.  You get 1200 a year.  Wait to get both 600 dollar twice annual payments totalling 1200 then divide it by twelve.  Its like you have a check for 100$ a month for life because you simply reivest the 15000 each year at the 8%  You simply buy more bonds each year to hedge against the inflation as your still putting atleast 5,000 dollars every year at minimum no matter what.</p>
<p>Sure you will lose money from interest rate but that 100$ today is money in your pocket backed by the govt that will pay your cellphone bill.</p>
<p>Then you keep the cycle going untill you have enough to pay all your core bills on interest income alone.  Core bills are like your rent, electric, gas, water, phone, food.  Not your cable, magazine subscribe, fancy restaurant, and credit cards, or other bills you dont need or want to survive on.  (you eventually do a 2nd investment core for those fun things)</p>
<p>So the plan is to have tax free income from muni bonds paying 8% and having that to cover your lifes core bill, the bills that will never leave you ever like rent.  Even when you own your home free and clear you pay rent.  Dont believe it, take your yearly property tax and divide it by 12 and see how fast you pay estimate 425$ a month to live in your home you own, so just get a tax free muni bond to cancel out the 425 and only then are you freed from the financial banking slavery system, and good luck <img src='http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>disclaimer:<br />
The above is not investment advice but rather an a example of why to invest in tax free muni bonds that are guarenteed income backed by the municipalities ability to tax its people.</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyEnergy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoneyEnergy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Thomas said; I&#039;ve invested in bond funds, and bought individual government (Canada Savings Bonds), but don&#039;t know much about corporate or municipal bond investing, so this should help give me a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Thomas said; I&#8217;ve invested in bond funds, and bought individual government (Canada Savings Bonds), but don&#8217;t know much about corporate or municipal bond investing, so this should help give me a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 04:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post! I&#039;ve definitely wanted to learn more about these types of investments. Thanks for the info!</description>
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		<title>By: Carole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Munis can also play a role in estate planning.  I live in the same state as my parents did, and the munis I inherited are providing me with an average yield of 4.75%, with no federal or state taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Munis can also play a role in estate planning.  I live in the same state as my parents did, and the munis I inherited are providing me with an average yield of 4.75%, with no federal or state taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do point out very important details but my example was there just for some basic information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do point out very important details but my example was there just for some basic information.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You left out LOTS of important info.The bond you mentioned is rated Baa3 which is only one downgrade away from being categorized as high-yield or junk. The actual yield to maturity in 2013 is 5% because if they pay off at 100 you have the profit since you bought it at a discount. The other bonds listed from MD or either taxable or subject to the AMT which means the interest is taxable if you pay AMT tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You left out LOTS of important info.The bond you mentioned is rated Baa3 which is only one downgrade away from being categorized as high-yield or junk. The actual yield to maturity in 2013 is 5% because if they pay off at 100 you have the profit since you bought it at a discount. The other bonds listed from MD or either taxable or subject to the AMT which means the interest is taxable if you pay AMT tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Curmudgeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first thing to remember about munis is that they make sense only if you are in a higher tax bracket.  Vanguard&#039;s Intermediate Bond Index Fund (VBIIX) currently yields 4.57% while its muni equivilent (VWITX) yields 3.45%.  At a 25% marginal rate, that&#039;s basically a wash.  Higher and munis start to look interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first thing to remember about munis is that they make sense only if you are in a higher tax bracket.  Vanguard&#8217;s Intermediate Bond Index Fund (VBIIX) currently yields 4.57% while its muni equivilent (VWITX) yields 3.45%.  At a 25% marginal rate, that&#8217;s basically a wash.  Higher and munis start to look interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Municipal bonds are the second safest bond investment in the world behind US treasuries (if held to maturity).  With individual Muni bonds an investor can get certainty. Locked in interest rate paid twice per year, with insurance a guarantee (FSA, AGC and BRKA) a AAA rating, guarantee of their principle if held to maturity and margin-ability. With mutual funds you get non of the above: no guarantee of principle, no guarantee of interest if held to maturity and they must be held at least 30 days to be marginable. One may also invest in Muni bonds through Unit Investment Trusts or closed end funds that invest in muni bonds or other muni funds that trade on the NYSE. Some of these UIT’s (if they own individual bonds) have certainty of income and eventually all the muni bonds will be called or mature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Municipal bonds are the second safest bond investment in the world behind US treasuries (if held to maturity).  With individual Muni bonds an investor can get certainty. Locked in interest rate paid twice per year, with insurance a guarantee (FSA, AGC and BRKA) a AAA rating, guarantee of their principle if held to maturity and margin-ability. With mutual funds you get non of the above: no guarantee of principle, no guarantee of interest if held to maturity and they must be held at least 30 days to be marginable. One may also invest in Muni bonds through Unit Investment Trusts or closed end funds that invest in muni bonds or other muni funds that trade on the NYSE. Some of these UIT’s (if they own individual bonds) have certainty of income and eventually all the muni bonds will be called or mature.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the informative post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the informative post!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Fyffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Fyffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay I think I got it.

So if I buy a 100$ municipal bond that matures in 2013 with a 4% rate, I&#039;ll be getting that 4% rate every year until 2013.

So 2009 - 4$, 2010 - 4$, 2011 - 4$, 2012 - 4$, 2013 - 4$ for my 100

That makes sense and is about the standard rate (though better than most right now!) I just wanted to make sure I hadn&#039;t misread before I committed to anything.

It sounds like a good deal though and one I might try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay I think I got it.</p>
<p>So if I buy a 100$ municipal bond that matures in 2013 with a 4% rate, I&#8217;ll be getting that 4% rate every year until 2013.</p>
<p>So 2009 &#8211; 4$, 2010 &#8211; 4$, 2011 &#8211; 4$, 2012 &#8211; 4$, 2013 &#8211; 4$ for my 100</p>
<p>That makes sense and is about the standard rate (though better than most right now!) I just wanted to make sure I hadn&#8217;t misread before I committed to anything.</p>
<p>It sounds like a good deal though and one I might try.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good overview post Jim.

Couple things I&#039;d emphasize.  

AAA/AA rating is the best and people should probably stick to that level.  Once you get below AA the risk of defaults starts to go up a lot.  B rating or below starts to hit &#039;junk&#039; status and the default rates there are fairly high.

If you&#039;re looking at buying individual bonds then it is important to diversify over multiple bonds from different sources.   Even though the risk of a municipality defaulting on a bond is usually very low it can and does happen.  So its best to make sure your money is spread around to lessen the exposure to a potential default.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good overview post Jim.</p>
<p>Couple things I&#8217;d emphasize.  </p>
<p>AAA/AA rating is the best and people should probably stick to that level.  Once you get below AA the risk of defaults starts to go up a lot.  B rating or below starts to hit &#8216;junk&#8217; status and the default rates there are fairly high.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re looking at buying individual bonds then it is important to diversify over multiple bonds from different sources.   Even though the risk of a municipality defaulting on a bond is usually very low it can and does happen.  So its best to make sure your money is spread around to lessen the exposure to a potential default.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Harbach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Harbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great introduction article Jim.  Lots of good information to help people understand not only what a bond is, but specifically what advantages muni bonds can offer over taxable corporate bonds.  

I think it is important to note that individual investors should not be purchasing INDIVIDUAL bonds.  Purchasing individual bonds, like purchasing individual stocks, is speculation and not investment.

I&#039;ve read countless articles over the last year of people&#039;s &quot;SAFE&quot; bond investments being wiped out.  I wrote a blog on this last week and included a quote from perhaps the most wise investor of the past 100 years - Benjamin Graham.

http://www.twentysomethingsense.com/2009/04/speculating-is-not-investing.html

&quot;An investment operation is one which, upon thorough analysis, promises safety of principal and a satisfactory return. Operations not meeting these requirements are speculative.&quot;

Buying individual bonds, especially those that are not properly secured, is purely a speculative play and should be avoided.

If one is to include bonds in their asset allocation, which most will, the vehicle should be a bond fund.  Vanguard offers several muni bond funds that would be much better suited for the individual investor vs. purchasing individual bonds becaused of the reduction in risk diversifying your money over a fund of bunds offers you with very little impact on your return.  An added benefit of these bond funds is their increased liquidity and lower transactional costs vs. an individual bond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great introduction article Jim.  Lots of good information to help people understand not only what a bond is, but specifically what advantages muni bonds can offer over taxable corporate bonds.  </p>
<p>I think it is important to note that individual investors should not be purchasing INDIVIDUAL bonds.  Purchasing individual bonds, like purchasing individual stocks, is speculation and not investment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read countless articles over the last year of people&#8217;s &#8220;SAFE&#8221; bond investments being wiped out.  I wrote a blog on this last week and included a quote from perhaps the most wise investor of the past 100 years &#8211; Benjamin Graham.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.twentysomethingsense.com/2009/04/speculating-is-not-investing.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.twentysomethingsense.com/2009/04/speculating-is-not-investing.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;An investment operation is one which, upon thorough analysis, promises safety of principal and a satisfactory return. Operations not meeting these requirements are speculative.&#8221;</p>
<p>Buying individual bonds, especially those that are not properly secured, is purely a speculative play and should be avoided.</p>
<p>If one is to include bonds in their asset allocation, which most will, the vehicle should be a bond fund.  Vanguard offers several muni bond funds that would be much better suited for the individual investor vs. purchasing individual bonds becaused of the reduction in risk diversifying your money over a fund of bunds offers you with very little impact on your return.  An added benefit of these bond funds is their increased liquidity and lower transactional costs vs. an individual bond.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Municipal bonds really make sense if your state has a high tax and you are in a high tax bracket.  I think they are a great idea for a fairly safe investment that give you tax-free returns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Municipal bonds really make sense if your state has a high tax and you are in a high tax bracket.  I think they are a great idea for a fairly safe investment that give you tax-free returns.</p>
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