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	<title>Comments on: CD Rates Down, Savings Rates Steady, I Bonds Up</title>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 18:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With these institutions offering such lucrative rates, one needs to ask ones self, exactly what are they doing with your money to be able to turn a profit at such inflated interest rates?  It sounds, just upon its&#039; face, as if they are dealing in high risk lending practices, which could lead to difficulties down the road.  Two old adages come to mind 1) Buyer beware, 2) When in doubt, measure twice and cut once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With these institutions offering such lucrative rates, one needs to ask ones self, exactly what are they doing with your money to be able to turn a profit at such inflated interest rates?  It sounds, just upon its&#8217; face, as if they are dealing in high risk lending practices, which could lead to difficulties down the road.  Two old adages come to mind 1) Buyer beware, 2) When in doubt, measure twice and cut once.</p>
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		<title>By: kitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also bought I bonds back in April, maybe even March. I did it before they reduced the limit from 5K direct and 5K through a bank to 5K overall, so I managed to buy 10K. Can&#039;t buy anymore. Don&#039;t understand either why they don&#039;t allow more. TIPs may be an OK alternative, I haven&#039;t bought them yet.

For those who can stand a tiny bit of risk, there are some great deals now on municipal bonds. A couple of weeks ago I got 5.36% tax free yield-to-maturity (5.25 coupon rate) on AAA municipal bonds that mature in 2014 - this deal is gone now as the bond value is up - I am even thinking just selling it, although I&#039;ll probably keep it as long as yield-to-maturity (YTM) seems attractive. But there are still some good deals - last week I got 5.3 YTM on AA bond that matures in 2024. I just check and at least on NY state bonds (I live in NY state) YTMs are around 4% for AA and AAA bonds that mature within next 5 years, and over 5% for those that mature around 2024. Keep in mind that the interest is free from federal and, as long as you buy your state&#039;s bonds, state taxes as well. So, for me in my 28% bracket and high tax state, 5.3% tax-free is almost the same as 8% taxable.

 I know the maturity in 2024 is a long way away, so it&#039;s probably not a good choice for an emergency fund. You can always sell bonds, although if you sell before maturity you&#039;ll do it for the current value which can be above or below what you paid for it. As long as the interest rates keep going down, the bond values are likely to keep going up, though. 

Also, this is simple interest, not compound interest, but as you get interest paid to you twice a year, you can simply invest it in something else. Something to look into, anyway. There is a little risk, but as long as you keep to AA and AAA bonds, the risk is small.

There are some good deals in corporate debt as well, but it&#039;s riskier - it&#039;s difficult to know every detail of companies&#039; balance sheet.  I was considering American Express bonds that paid over 10% last time I checked, but there was a negative credit watch on the company. Not sure how it changed now that it is a bank holding company. 

You need to have a certain amount of money to buy individual bonds, though - most of the bonds have 5K minimum purchase requirement. But it is an option if you are looking for a place for your money that is less risky than stocks yet want bigger returns than CDs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also bought I bonds back in April, maybe even March. I did it before they reduced the limit from 5K direct and 5K through a bank to 5K overall, so I managed to buy 10K. Can&#8217;t buy anymore. Don&#8217;t understand either why they don&#8217;t allow more. TIPs may be an OK alternative, I haven&#8217;t bought them yet.</p>
<p>For those who can stand a tiny bit of risk, there are some great deals now on municipal bonds. A couple of weeks ago I got 5.36% tax free yield-to-maturity (5.25 coupon rate) on AAA municipal bonds that mature in 2014 &#8211; this deal is gone now as the bond value is up &#8211; I am even thinking just selling it, although I&#8217;ll probably keep it as long as yield-to-maturity (YTM) seems attractive. But there are still some good deals &#8211; last week I got 5.3 YTM on AA bond that matures in 2024. I just check and at least on NY state bonds (I live in NY state) YTMs are around 4% for AA and AAA bonds that mature within next 5 years, and over 5% for those that mature around 2024. Keep in mind that the interest is free from federal and, as long as you buy your state&#8217;s bonds, state taxes as well. So, for me in my 28% bracket and high tax state, 5.3% tax-free is almost the same as 8% taxable.</p>
<p> I know the maturity in 2024 is a long way away, so it&#8217;s probably not a good choice for an emergency fund. You can always sell bonds, although if you sell before maturity you&#8217;ll do it for the current value which can be above or below what you paid for it. As long as the interest rates keep going down, the bond values are likely to keep going up, though. </p>
<p>Also, this is simple interest, not compound interest, but as you get interest paid to you twice a year, you can simply invest it in something else. Something to look into, anyway. There is a little risk, but as long as you keep to AA and AAA bonds, the risk is small.</p>
<p>There are some good deals in corporate debt as well, but it&#8217;s riskier &#8211; it&#8217;s difficult to know every detail of companies&#8217; balance sheet.  I was considering American Express bonds that paid over 10% last time I checked, but there was a negative credit watch on the company. Not sure how it changed now that it is a bank holding company. </p>
<p>You need to have a certain amount of money to buy individual bonds, though &#8211; most of the bonds have 5K minimum purchase requirement. But it is an option if you are looking for a place for your money that is less risky than stocks yet want bigger returns than CDs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as Money Market accounts go, Dollar Savings has a 4% money market account with no strings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as Money Market accounts go, Dollar Savings has a 4% money market account with no strings.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just opened a 5% six month CD at DimeDirect.com.  You must also open a checking account and have a direct deposit or at least one bill pay per month but, the checking account pays 3% at $5,000+.  Best deal I&#039;ve seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just opened a 5% six month CD at DimeDirect.com.  You must also open a checking account and have a direct deposit or at least one bill pay per month but, the checking account pays 3% at $5,000+.  Best deal I&#8217;ve seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Gates VP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gates VP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if inflation-adjusted government bonds are paying 5.64% at the government&#039;s estimated inflation numbers.  Doesn&#039;t this mean that using any one of these CDs is actually going to cost you money?

Given that some data points to the government intentionally low-balling inflation, doesn&#039;t this make the use of those CDs even more questionable?

I mean, sure, you have to keep around a couple of thousand in cash. But &lt;b&gt;@Sam&lt;/b&gt; has to jump through hoops to basically break-even.

I know that people here are gun-shy and don&#039;t want to lose money in the market.  But right now, all of the above-listed investment vehicles are actually going to lose you money. (Jim can we get that as a caveat?)

Also, given that the only way for Barack to maintain his promises is to print more money, doesn&#039;t it seem like a safe bet that we&#039;re going to see more inflation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if inflation-adjusted government bonds are paying 5.64% at the government&#8217;s estimated inflation numbers.  Doesn&#8217;t this mean that using any one of these CDs is actually going to cost you money?</p>
<p>Given that some data points to the government intentionally low-balling inflation, doesn&#8217;t this make the use of those CDs even more questionable?</p>
<p>I mean, sure, you have to keep around a couple of thousand in cash. But <b>@Sam</b> has to jump through hoops to basically break-even.</p>
<p>I know that people here are gun-shy and don&#8217;t want to lose money in the market.  But right now, all of the above-listed investment vehicles are actually going to lose you money. (Jim can we get that as a caveat?)</p>
<p>Also, given that the only way for Barack to maintain his promises is to print more money, doesn&#8217;t it seem like a safe bet that we&#8217;re going to see more inflation?</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Fellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Financial Fellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve come across Everbank in the Chicago Tribune a couple times with respect to their foreign currency offerings.  What&#039;s their deal?  How are they able to offer higher interest rates on high yield savings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve come across Everbank in the Chicago Tribune a couple times with respect to their foreign currency offerings.  What&#8217;s their deal?  How are they able to offer higher interest rates on high yield savings?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad I bought the bonds back when you did too! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad I bought the bonds back when you did too! <img src='http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim -
I would like to know what you mean by &quot;often not as “good&quot;&quot; just so I am not doing something I am not aware of. :)
I have worked out to where I use the debit card for less than 10 - 20$ purchases, as in if I go to the grocery store, I separate out the things I have in the cart, usually into 2-3 transactions. I pay the toll with the card too, which is only 2-3$ per transaction. For all other major expense transactions like gas, I use my credit card and get the cash rewards :). And and, I figured out that if I pay off the credit card using this bank account it treats it like a debit transaction (i have no idea why). So, I usually auto set up this for 3-4 times if I cannot meet the 10 per month deal. So far so good as long as you don&#039;t overdo the debits without being &quot;aware&quot; I guess.......

But I am still curious on what you mean....for my own understanding..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim -<br />
I would like to know what you mean by &#8220;often not as “good&#8221;" just so I am not doing something I am not aware of. <img src='http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I have worked out to where I use the debit card for less than 10 &#8211; 20$ purchases, as in if I go to the grocery store, I separate out the things I have in the cart, usually into 2-3 transactions. I pay the toll with the card too, which is only 2-3$ per transaction. For all other major expense transactions like gas, I use my credit card and get the cash rewards <img src='http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . And and, I figured out that if I pay off the credit card using this bank account it treats it like a debit transaction (i have no idea why). So, I usually auto set up this for 3-4 times if I cannot meet the 10 per month deal. So far so good as long as you don&#8217;t overdo the debits without being &#8220;aware&#8221; I guess&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>But I am still curious on what you mean&#8230;.for my own understanding..</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@FiveCentNickel: Yeah it&#039;s weird, you&#039;d think they&#039;d want Americans to own more bonds like they did back in the World War eras. I suppose money you put into bonds is money you aren&#039;t putting into the economy?

@Sam: Those rewards checking accounts are really nice but a lot of them have really stringent requirements, which is something to be aware of. 10 debit transactions is a lot in one month and debit transactions are often not as &quot;good,&quot; but that&#039;s not a good reason NOT to take advantage of those offers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@FiveCentNickel: Yeah it&#8217;s weird, you&#8217;d think they&#8217;d want Americans to own more bonds like they did back in the World War eras. I suppose money you put into bonds is money you aren&#8217;t putting into the economy?</p>
<p>@Sam: Those rewards checking accounts are really nice but a lot of them have really stringent requirements, which is something to be aware of. 10 debit transactions is a lot in one month and debit transactions are often not as &#8220;good,&#8221; but that&#8217;s not a good reason NOT to take advantage of those offers.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim -
I am a long time reader of your blog (first time commenter) and I lost all the bookmarks (thanks to a pesky virus). I was having withdrawal symptoms and had to do a bit of googling to &quot;find&quot; your blog again and I am happy I did find it lol.

I always thought of commenting but never had a chance to! I thought one thing you would find really interesting is that a local bank in our town has a  checking account that gives 6.01%(APY), 5.875%(APR) interest (for balances upto 25,000). You just have to &quot;meet&quot; certain requirements like use your debit card at least 10 times a month, login to your bank account at least once a month, and have either a direct deposit or direct withdrawal from the account and voila you get to make that extra cash! I have been reaping the benefits since about Feb this year and I am hoping all this economic downturn won&#039;t make the bank change its interest rates :)! It hasn&#039;t so I have my fingers crossed. I even took money out of CDs (when they matured) and money market accounts and put it all in this bank. I thought you would find this fascinating!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim -<br />
I am a long time reader of your blog (first time commenter) and I lost all the bookmarks (thanks to a pesky virus). I was having withdrawal symptoms and had to do a bit of googling to &#8220;find&#8221; your blog again and I am happy I did find it lol.</p>
<p>I always thought of commenting but never had a chance to! I thought one thing you would find really interesting is that a local bank in our town has a  checking account that gives 6.01%(APY), 5.875%(APR) interest (for balances upto 25,000). You just have to &#8220;meet&#8221; certain requirements like use your debit card at least 10 times a month, login to your bank account at least once a month, and have either a direct deposit or direct withdrawal from the account and voila you get to make that extra cash! I have been reaping the benefits since about Feb this year and I am hoping all this economic downturn won&#8217;t make the bank change its interest rates <img src='http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ! It hasn&#8217;t so I have my fingers crossed. I even took money out of CDs (when they matured) and money market accounts and put it all in this bank. I thought you would find this fascinating!</p>
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		<title>By: fivecentnickel.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>fivecentnickel.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder why the government limits your bond purchases. You&#039;d think they be happy to sell more bonds nowadays.</description>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think, given all the volatility in the markets, that sitting it on the sidelines for a while isn&#039;t a bad idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, given all the volatility in the markets, that sitting it on the sidelines for a while isn&#8217;t a bad idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Funny about Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funny about Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you. This is valuable. Really valuable. I&#039;m forwarding it to friends who have been smart enough to keep some of their savings out of the stock market (unlike, say, moi).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. This is valuable. Really valuable. I&#8217;m forwarding it to friends who have been smart enough to keep some of their savings out of the stock market (unlike, say, moi).</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Article! I had no idea that you could get such a great rate over 4%

I wonder if there is a Money Market account out there with a similar rate if not higher. If you could find a Money Market account just a quarter point or two below the max CD rate you could find, would you put your money in the Money Market account instead to maintain liquidity?

Larry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Article! I had no idea that you could get such a great rate over 4%</p>
<p>I wonder if there is a Money Market account out there with a similar rate if not higher. If you could find a Money Market account just a quarter point or two below the max CD rate you could find, would you put your money in the Money Market account instead to maintain liquidity?</p>
<p>Larry</p>
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