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		<title>By: billbailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>billbailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 13:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there are no fees in an annuity.  the only charge is if you take out more money than the contract allows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there are no fees in an annuity.  the only charge is if you take out more money than the contract allows.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe you missed one important point about CDs.  CDs can be placed under an IRA,  which allows them to be tax deferred,  including interest - until withdrawal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you missed one important point about CDs.  CDs can be placed under an IRA,  which allows them to be tax deferred,  including interest &#8211; until withdrawal.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael @ The Life Insurance Insider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael @ The Life Insurance Insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the others that I would look to invest in other tax deferred vehicles like IRAs, 401ks, 529 plans for kids college, etc first before I would look to an annuity.  Those usually have more investment options and lower fees than annuities.  

After I had maxed all my contributions and I still wanted to put away some more tax deferred money for retirement then annuities are a solid option.  Even Dave Ramsey agrees although he prefers to invest in real estate himself.  But for those of us who don&#039;t have the desire or the chops to make it in the real estate market annuities offer another tier of retirement savings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the others that I would look to invest in other tax deferred vehicles like IRAs, 401ks, 529 plans for kids college, etc first before I would look to an annuity.  Those usually have more investment options and lower fees than annuities.  </p>
<p>After I had maxed all my contributions and I still wanted to put away some more tax deferred money for retirement then annuities are a solid option.  Even Dave Ramsey agrees although he prefers to invest in real estate himself.  But for those of us who don&#8217;t have the desire or the chops to make it in the real estate market annuities offer another tier of retirement savings.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Harr @ Wealth...Uncomplicated</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Harr @ Wealth...Uncomplicated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 04:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fixed annuities that you cover in the post are relatively simple instruments and the best net yields are going to come from low cost providers since investment returns are predicated upon the performance of the general fund of the insurer less fees.  For the most part, if you stick with a low-cost provider and ensure you actually need the product, you won&#039;t have too many problems.  Just remember that fixed annuities, like CDs, are participating products in the sleeping dog game.  After the initial guaranteed period, you won&#039;t necessarily find yourself with a good or even competitive rate, so you should shop each year that your annuity or CD is out of surrender/penalty.

Also, sometimes you&#039;ll see fixed annuities quoted for a guaranteed x.xx% yield for 3 years, but will have a surrender period of 5 years.  This demands that you do some homework and determine the minimum yield to surrender.  If it&#039;s guaranteed at 3% for three years and the minimum guarantee on the contract is 1%, then you&#039;ll get a total of 11% guaranteed (3%, 3%, 3%, 1%, 1%).  Anything above that is hoping the insurer will pay above the guaranteed rate which is far less often than you might think.  This is one area where CDs are much clearer than fixed annuities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fixed annuities that you cover in the post are relatively simple instruments and the best net yields are going to come from low cost providers since investment returns are predicated upon the performance of the general fund of the insurer less fees.  For the most part, if you stick with a low-cost provider and ensure you actually need the product, you won&#8217;t have too many problems.  Just remember that fixed annuities, like CDs, are participating products in the sleeping dog game.  After the initial guaranteed period, you won&#8217;t necessarily find yourself with a good or even competitive rate, so you should shop each year that your annuity or CD is out of surrender/penalty.</p>
<p>Also, sometimes you&#8217;ll see fixed annuities quoted for a guaranteed x.xx% yield for 3 years, but will have a surrender period of 5 years.  This demands that you do some homework and determine the minimum yield to surrender.  If it&#8217;s guaranteed at 3% for three years and the minimum guarantee on the contract is 1%, then you&#8217;ll get a total of 11% guaranteed (3%, 3%, 3%, 1%, 1%).  Anything above that is hoping the insurer will pay above the guaranteed rate which is far less often than you might think.  This is one area where CDs are much clearer than fixed annuities.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 14:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post.  A lot of really solid points.  There are a lot of very good annuities out there and your point &quot;Annuities help out a lot of people regardless of age depending on their certain circumstance&quot; in the comment section is well taken.  

I think the most important thing to keep in mind is that their are products out there that are going to be right for some people and not be right for other.  Be an educated consumer and make sure your financial adviser is well versed in what your needs are as an investor.  Appreciate the good content!

Thanks!
@annuitymaven</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post.  A lot of really solid points.  There are a lot of very good annuities out there and your point &#8220;Annuities help out a lot of people regardless of age depending on their certain circumstance&#8221; in the comment section is well taken.  </p>
<p>I think the most important thing to keep in mind is that their are products out there that are going to be right for some people and not be right for other.  Be an educated consumer and make sure your financial adviser is well versed in what your needs are as an investor.  Appreciate the good content!</p>
<p>Thanks!<br />
@annuitymaven</p>
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		<title>By: barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 15:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I disagree with your disagreement My Journey, I undestand your point.

If there were no other alternatives to Annuities that are still guaranteed AND have lesser fees, then the reputation that such instruments have now would be un-earned.

And, without casting aspersions upon the entirety of Life Insurance professionals, I don&#039;t think the majority of annuity investors are Jedi-anything.  

So, I agree with Eric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I disagree with your disagreement My Journey, I undestand your point.</p>
<p>If there were no other alternatives to Annuities that are still guaranteed AND have lesser fees, then the reputation that such instruments have now would be un-earned.</p>
<p>And, without casting aspersions upon the entirety of Life Insurance professionals, I don&#8217;t think the majority of annuity investors are Jedi-anything.  </p>
<p>So, I agree with Eric.</p>
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		<title>By: My Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 13:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, 

I have to respectfully disagree.  Annuities help out a lot of people regardless of age depending on their certain circumstance.  

If anyone product had absolutely no use it would not be in the marketplace.  I refuse to believe that those selling them (and I know a lot of them since I work in the industry) are some sort of Jedi Master able to convince truck loads of people to buy them.  

Yes, there are fees, but there are also guarantees made by insurance companies, some of which, are rated higher than your local government in terms of safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, </p>
<p>I have to respectfully disagree.  Annuities help out a lot of people regardless of age depending on their certain circumstance.  </p>
<p>If anyone product had absolutely no use it would not be in the marketplace.  I refuse to believe that those selling them (and I know a lot of them since I work in the industry) are some sort of Jedi Master able to convince truck loads of people to buy them.  </p>
<p>Yes, there are fees, but there are also guarantees made by insurance companies, some of which, are rated higher than your local government in terms of safety.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 05:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the reason annuities are so bad is because they make sense for only a small minority of retirees and even then you have to make sure not to get caught by all the little rules and such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reason annuities are so bad is because they make sense for only a small minority of retirees and even then you have to make sure not to get caught by all the little rules and such.</p>
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		<title>By: My Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 18:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post....

The only thing I would emphasize is that with an annuity you can turn on the stream of income.  

So if you were to put in 100 bucks a month for 10 years lets say, you would then have a pot (100*120 montly installments * Growth) that can be taken as a lump sum or as a stream of income for a time cetain, or for the rest of your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post&#8230;.</p>
<p>The only thing I would emphasize is that with an annuity you can turn on the stream of income.  </p>
<p>So if you were to put in 100 bucks a month for 10 years lets say, you would then have a pot (100*120 montly installments * Growth) that can be taken as a lump sum or as a stream of income for a time cetain, or for the rest of your life.</p>
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		<title>By: reinkefj</title>
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		<dc:creator>reinkefj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 15:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got out of a variable life insurance policy that was held in a irrevocable trust, imho it has some of the similar objections to an annuity. (The same insurance company markets both. Hence the easy comparison.) Vanguard is the low cost version of everything. I&#039;ve NOT studied those offerings. 

There are fees and then there are &quot;fees&quot;. It&#039;s impossible to root them all out. Fees impact performance. The mutual funds, that are available, have their own set of warts. (Read Eddleman&#039;s Lies about money to see the warts. He gets most of them.) ALL you can do is look at their performance as it compares to their peers in the market place. I found their performance to be dismal. 

Eventually, I gave up. It&#039;s hard to imagine the usefulness of an annuity in today&#039;s interest rate climate. Now if it was during the Carter administration with 21% interest rates, then I&#039;d be trying to lock those in forever. 

Your mileage may vary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got out of a variable life insurance policy that was held in a irrevocable trust, imho it has some of the similar objections to an annuity. (The same insurance company markets both. Hence the easy comparison.) Vanguard is the low cost version of everything. I&#8217;ve NOT studied those offerings. </p>
<p>There are fees and then there are &#8220;fees&#8221;. It&#8217;s impossible to root them all out. Fees impact performance. The mutual funds, that are available, have their own set of warts. (Read Eddleman&#8217;s Lies about money to see the warts. He gets most of them.) ALL you can do is look at their performance as it compares to their peers in the market place. I found their performance to be dismal. </p>
<p>Eventually, I gave up. It&#8217;s hard to imagine the usefulness of an annuity in today&#8217;s interest rate climate. Now if it was during the Carter administration with 21% interest rates, then I&#8217;d be trying to lock those in forever. </p>
<p>Your mileage may vary.</p>
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		<title>By: shadowdcs</title>
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		<dc:creator>shadowdcs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 14:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the helpful post.  The only thing I would add is to make sure that you are maxing 401k and/or IRA investments before investing in an annuity since you can get the same tax deferred growth benefits plus a broad range of investment options without the potential downsides of annuities like fees and charges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the helpful post.  The only thing I would add is to make sure that you are maxing 401k and/or IRA investments before investing in an annuity since you can get the same tax deferred growth benefits plus a broad range of investment options without the potential downsides of annuities like fees and charges.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd @ The Personal Finance Playbook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd @ The Personal Finance Playbook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 14:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post - I think annuities have a bad rap because they used to mostly benefit sales people - who would get large commissions for them.  It looks like the Vanguard annuity is a relatively safe way to add this type of safe income to your portfolio.  I would just add, as an investor, to make sure you read the prospectus and understand how the company managing the annuity is making their money before you proceed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post &#8211; I think annuities have a bad rap because they used to mostly benefit sales people &#8211; who would get large commissions for them.  It looks like the Vanguard annuity is a relatively safe way to add this type of safe income to your portfolio.  I would just add, as an investor, to make sure you read the prospectus and understand how the company managing the annuity is making their money before you proceed.</p>
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