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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My family did this together and it helped us figure out ways to tie up loose ends like not having flood insurance on our home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family did this together and it helped us figure out ways to tie up loose ends like not having flood insurance on our home.</p>
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		<title>By: kitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t say car repairs is equal to fire. Car repairs is more like what to do if you burned your dinner. A fire equivalent of a financial emergency would be a loss of a job in a really bad economy like today when people are unemployed for a while. Or even a serious medical emergency.

Stock market crash is another &quot;fire&quot; if you have your non-retirement money invested: would you need to sell, would you have enough in cash/CDs, if you have to sell after the crash, will you still be OK?

@joruva: &quot;I have a conservative bonds equal my age strategy&quot;
One thing to keep in mind is that bonds aren&#039;t the same as CDs. As badmoneyadvice recently mentioned, it depends what bonds you are talking about. Junk bonds carry as much risk as stocks. Investment grade corporate bonds carry default risk as well as interest rate risk. 

For some reason when people talk of diversification, they only think stocks and bonds (as in bond index comprised of a whole bunch of corporate bonds). There are other asset classes out there - real estate, commodities, individual treasury notes and bonds, I-bond, TIPs, CDs and cash. As with everything you get lower return with lower risk, but surely if you want to diversify you need to at least think of other asset classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say car repairs is equal to fire. Car repairs is more like what to do if you burned your dinner. A fire equivalent of a financial emergency would be a loss of a job in a really bad economy like today when people are unemployed for a while. Or even a serious medical emergency.</p>
<p>Stock market crash is another &#8220;fire&#8221; if you have your non-retirement money invested: would you need to sell, would you have enough in cash/CDs, if you have to sell after the crash, will you still be OK?</p>
<p>@joruva: &#8220;I have a conservative bonds equal my age strategy&#8221;<br />
One thing to keep in mind is that bonds aren&#8217;t the same as CDs. As badmoneyadvice recently mentioned, it depends what bonds you are talking about. Junk bonds carry as much risk as stocks. Investment grade corporate bonds carry default risk as well as interest rate risk. </p>
<p>For some reason when people talk of diversification, they only think stocks and bonds (as in bond index comprised of a whole bunch of corporate bonds). There are other asset classes out there &#8211; real estate, commodities, individual treasury notes and bonds, I-bond, TIPs, CDs and cash. As with everything you get lower return with lower risk, but surely if you want to diversify you need to at least think of other asset classes.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea - In a way we did this when we set up our financial plan, and started saving for our 8 month emergency fund.  We&#039;ve saved up enough money to cover us in any number of scenarios. Job loss, health issues, etc.  We&#039;ve already had a couple of those scenarios happen (medical emergencies) and having the plan was invaluable.

Having the financial fire drill means you&#039;re being pro-active, not reactive.  That&#039;s the way it should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea &#8211; In a way we did this when we set up our financial plan, and started saving for our 8 month emergency fund.  We&#8217;ve saved up enough money to cover us in any number of scenarios. Job loss, health issues, etc.  We&#8217;ve already had a couple of those scenarios happen (medical emergencies) and having the plan was invaluable.</p>
<p>Having the financial fire drill means you&#8217;re being pro-active, not reactive.  That&#8217;s the way it should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Wojciech</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wojciech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome post! Especially in the current economy, it&#039;s good to have a plan of action for just about anything.

My wife always remarks that we should &quot;live in the present&quot; and stop worrying about the future. Well, IMO this isn&#039;t worrying--it&#039;s simply planning for something that might happen--which ironically, removes most of the worry.

I&#039;ll be getting started writing a few of my own plans later this afternoon! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post! Especially in the current economy, it&#8217;s good to have a plan of action for just about anything.</p>
<p>My wife always remarks that we should &#8220;live in the present&#8221; and stop worrying about the future. Well, IMO this isn&#8217;t worrying&#8211;it&#8217;s simply planning for something that might happen&#8211;which ironically, removes most of the worry.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be getting started writing a few of my own plans later this afternoon! <img src='http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice post, definately what we should think about at least a few times a year!

However, for me, getting fired wasn&#039;t a blow. It was a relief! It was literally like having a weight lifted. I didn&#039;t know that phrase related to an actual feeling until then. I would have been better off to have had a plan in place at the time...but I have learned quite a lot since then.

Thanks for all your great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice post, definately what we should think about at least a few times a year!</p>
<p>However, for me, getting fired wasn&#8217;t a blow. It was a relief! It was literally like having a weight lifted. I didn&#8217;t know that phrase related to an actual feeling until then. I would have been better off to have had a plan in place at the time&#8230;but I have learned quite a lot since then.</p>
<p>Thanks for all your great work!</p>
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		<title>By: centsandthecity</title>
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		<dc:creator>centsandthecity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are some really great points! Definitely some things here that I need to think about.

Also, I&#039;m a teacher and we have had SO MANY fire drills this year.  Plus, we just had the &quot;intruder in the building&quot; drill as well.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are some really great points! Definitely some things here that I need to think about.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m a teacher and we have had SO MANY fire drills this year.  Plus, we just had the &#8220;intruder in the building&#8221; drill as well.  <img src='http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised they are only required two a year!</description>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;(which puzzles me why all of my employers pre-announced rare fire drills)&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
Wow.  If an employer pre-announces a fire drill here, it doesn&#039;t count towards their required two per year, and exposes them to substantial liability if anyone is injured in a real fire.

The whole point of random fire drills is the hope that in the event of a real fire, people will assume that it&#039;s a drill and leave in an orderly fashion instead of panicking.  Preannouncing is just plain stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;(which puzzles me why all of my employers pre-announced rare fire drills)&#8221;</i><br />
Wow.  If an employer pre-announces a fire drill here, it doesn&#8217;t count towards their required two per year, and exposes them to substantial liability if anyone is injured in a real fire.</p>
<p>The whole point of random fire drills is the hope that in the event of a real fire, people will assume that it&#8217;s a drill and leave in an orderly fashion instead of panicking.  Preannouncing is just plain stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Caitlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caitlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a fantastic idea!  I bet lots of people have emergency plans, but forgot about the financial aspects of the plans.  I&#039;ll have to run one of these drill son my own finances.

&quot;&lt;i&gt;No one panicked because we always assumed it was a drill, even when it wasn’t. (which puzzles me why all of my employers pre-announced rare fire drills)&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

This is because we can trust 8 year olds to not panic and do what they are supposed to do during a fire drill; we can&#039;t trust Average Joe Adult to do the same these days, unfortunately.  There&#039;s always someone that takes &quot;I&#039;m an adult, you can&#039;t tell me what to do&quot; way too far and would end up endangering others because they didn&#039;t do what they were supposed to do (or panicked) during a drill.  Talk about liability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a fantastic idea!  I bet lots of people have emergency plans, but forgot about the financial aspects of the plans.  I&#8217;ll have to run one of these drill son my own finances.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>No one panicked because we always assumed it was a drill, even when it wasn’t. (which puzzles me why all of my employers pre-announced rare fire drills)</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>This is because we can trust 8 year olds to not panic and do what they are supposed to do during a fire drill; we can&#8217;t trust Average Joe Adult to do the same these days, unfortunately.  There&#8217;s always someone that takes &#8220;I&#8217;m an adult, you can&#8217;t tell me what to do&#8221; way too far and would end up endangering others because they didn&#8217;t do what they were supposed to do (or panicked) during a drill.  Talk about liability.</p>
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		<title>By: zapeta</title>
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		<dc:creator>zapeta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its a great idea to make a plan before you are confronted with a situation where you have to make quick decisions under stress.

I&#039;m going to take a look at my finances tonight and see what a fire drill will tell me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its a great idea to make a plan before you are confronted with a situation where you have to make quick decisions under stress.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to take a look at my finances tonight and see what a fire drill will tell me.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the best (read &quot;most unique&quot;) PF articles I have read in a while.

This certainly has gotten my blood flowing and my brain ticking away. I still have debts and still trying to build my emergency fund, but I could be fired tomorrow... What do I do then?

Good article, Jim!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the best (read &#8220;most unique&#8221;) PF articles I have read in a while.</p>
<p>This certainly has gotten my blood flowing and my brain ticking away. I still have debts and still trying to build my emergency fund, but I could be fired tomorrow&#8230; What do I do then?</p>
<p>Good article, Jim!</p>
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		<title>By: TheDebtHawk.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheDebtHawk.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely think it is a good idea for people to plan out what they would do in a financial emergency.  It is much better to make your plan while you are not in the middle of the chaos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely think it is a good idea for people to plan out what they would do in a financial emergency.  It is much better to make your plan while you are not in the middle of the chaos.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason @ Redeeming Riches</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason @ Redeeming Riches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having an emergency response plan is a very important piece of the financial plan - I think it&#039;s foundational really.  

Planning for the unexpected and being ready helps save a lot of time, stress and money.  Great post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having an emergency response plan is a very important piece of the financial plan &#8211; I think it&#8217;s foundational really.  </p>
<p>Planning for the unexpected and being ready helps save a lot of time, stress and money.  Great post!</p>
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		<title>By: joruva</title>
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		<dc:creator>joruva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The recent market panic made me question the large amounts I was choosing to invest (I have a conservative bonds equal my age strategy), but the idea of losing a large portion of my savings is pretty terrifying. 

My response plan is a tax loss harvesting (TLH) strategy for many of my index funds should we head for Recession 2.0. For example, I could sell exchange shares of Vanguard S&amp;P500 (VFINX) into Vanguard Total Stock Market (VTSMX).  After 31 days I would exchange back.  Since the funds are highly correlated I would have roughly the same diversification.  And if the market were to make a quick recovery I would still be invested.  

It doesn&#039;t work out perfectly for every fund, but it does reduce my investment fears.  Unfortunately you can&#039;t TLH in 401k or Roth IRA, but at least those funds have 40+ years before the funds are needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The recent market panic made me question the large amounts I was choosing to invest (I have a conservative bonds equal my age strategy), but the idea of losing a large portion of my savings is pretty terrifying. </p>
<p>My response plan is a tax loss harvesting (TLH) strategy for many of my index funds should we head for Recession 2.0. For example, I could sell exchange shares of Vanguard S&amp;P500 (VFINX) into Vanguard Total Stock Market (VTSMX).  After 31 days I would exchange back.  Since the funds are highly correlated I would have roughly the same diversification.  And if the market were to make a quick recovery I would still be invested.  </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t work out perfectly for every fund, but it does reduce my investment fears.  Unfortunately you can&#8217;t TLH in 401k or Roth IRA, but at least those funds have 40+ years before the funds are needed.</p>
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