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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 20:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a sister who lives like a queen.  She has had three homes in the last 20 years, and she remodels every one of them to the max.  This last house she bought, she thought herself very disciplined, when she waited nine years to remodel the entire kitchen.

I&#039;ve lived in the same distressed house for 32 years.  I&#039;ve done the main things like making sure it had a good roof, termite protection, and new water heaters, but I&#039;ve never had the money to do extensive decorating.  Not because I don&#039;t want to, but because I only have so much money to go on.

I keep an attitude of caution because I know that if I bite off more than I can chew, the cavalry is not coming to rescue me.  And &quot;that&quot; is my budgeting tool.  It is a very effective one.  I never let myself get too happy.  All bills are settled immediately, or as soon as possible.  I only use credit cards in dire emergencies, and pay them off immediately.

My sister has quite a complex &quot;budget&quot;.  And yet, she&#039;s still in debt for her house at 62 years old.  She walks on eggshells as a way of life.

I paid my house off in 1993.  It&#039;s a wonderful feeling knowing that no one will throw me out as long as I pay my taxes.  

A budget is not for losers.  It&#039;s probably a very good idea, but just not for me.  When I start adding up columns of figures, I usually end up with a messy page that no one can read, not even me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a sister who lives like a queen.  She has had three homes in the last 20 years, and she remodels every one of them to the max.  This last house she bought, she thought herself very disciplined, when she waited nine years to remodel the entire kitchen.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve lived in the same distressed house for 32 years.  I&#8217;ve done the main things like making sure it had a good roof, termite protection, and new water heaters, but I&#8217;ve never had the money to do extensive decorating.  Not because I don&#8217;t want to, but because I only have so much money to go on.</p>
<p>I keep an attitude of caution because I know that if I bite off more than I can chew, the cavalry is not coming to rescue me.  And &#8220;that&#8221; is my budgeting tool.  It is a very effective one.  I never let myself get too happy.  All bills are settled immediately, or as soon as possible.  I only use credit cards in dire emergencies, and pay them off immediately.</p>
<p>My sister has quite a complex &#8220;budget&#8221;.  And yet, she&#8217;s still in debt for her house at 62 years old.  She walks on eggshells as a way of life.</p>
<p>I paid my house off in 1993.  It&#8217;s a wonderful feeling knowing that no one will throw me out as long as I pay my taxes.  </p>
<p>A budget is not for losers.  It&#8217;s probably a very good idea, but just not for me.  When I start adding up columns of figures, I usually end up with a messy page that no one can read, not even me.</p>
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		<title>By: karla (threadbndr)</title>
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		<dc:creator>karla (threadbndr)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do budget &#039;to the penny&#039;.  I assign every $ of my base pay to a &#039;bucket&#039;, but my overtime is budgeted very loosely - once I have put some aside for vacations, all the rest is my splurge, movie, books, crafts supples, etc money.   It&#039;s also deposited into a different checking account than the &#039;household&#039; money.

On the months where there isn&#039;t a lot of OT, I can still meet all my savings/investing goals and meet all bills.  I use a modified version of Mary Hunt&#039;s freedom fund to accrue all the quarterly and yearly bills (taxes, car tages, etc) and save for all the sporadic budget busters (car and house maintain and vet bills mostly).  Funding that savings also comes out of the base pay.

I find that being very careful with my guarenteed income flow and more or less casual with the overtime works for me.  When I still had a kid at home, it was that overtime fund that paid for camps, projects, vacations, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do budget &#8216;to the penny&#8217;.  I assign every $ of my base pay to a &#8216;bucket&#8217;, but my overtime is budgeted very loosely &#8211; once I have put some aside for vacations, all the rest is my splurge, movie, books, crafts supples, etc money.   It&#8217;s also deposited into a different checking account than the &#8216;household&#8217; money.</p>
<p>On the months where there isn&#8217;t a lot of OT, I can still meet all my savings/investing goals and meet all bills.  I use a modified version of Mary Hunt&#8217;s freedom fund to accrue all the quarterly and yearly bills (taxes, car tages, etc) and save for all the sporadic budget busters (car and house maintain and vet bills mostly).  Funding that savings also comes out of the base pay.</p>
<p>I find that being very careful with my guarenteed income flow and more or less casual with the overtime works for me.  When I still had a kid at home, it was that overtime fund that paid for camps, projects, vacations, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a loose budget type person.  I list our income, list our mandatory expenses and fit the rest in.  I have a miscellaneous category that is all the stuff I don&#039;t really want to track.  This helps me pick a savings number (above and beyond 401k) that is aggressive but not too pinching.  That way as long as I follow close to the budget categories I figure I&#039;m good.  I use MS Money and I love the feature that lets you know how much you are spending in a category compared to what you budgeted for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a loose budget type person.  I list our income, list our mandatory expenses and fit the rest in.  I have a miscellaneous category that is all the stuff I don&#8217;t really want to track.  This helps me pick a savings number (above and beyond 401k) that is aggressive but not too pinching.  That way as long as I follow close to the budget categories I figure I&#8217;m good.  I use MS Money and I love the feature that lets you know how much you are spending in a category compared to what you budgeted for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 05:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mbhunter talked awhile ago about using &lt;a&gt;&quot;The Force&quot;&lt;/a&gt; method of budgeting which seems to describe my approach pretty well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mbhunter talked awhile ago about using <a>&#8220;The Force&#8221;</a> method of budgeting which seems to describe my approach pretty well.</p>
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		<title>By: mbhunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>mbhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 03:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John D. Rockefeller was taught to keep track of things down to the penny.  I heard someone say that he did all right financially.

http://www.pocanticohills.org/rockefeller/ledgera.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John D. Rockefeller was taught to keep track of things down to the penny.  I heard someone say that he did all right financially.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pocanticohills.org/rockefeller/ledgera.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.pocanticohills.org/rockefeller/ledgera.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: ispf</title>
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		<dc:creator>ispf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! I am a little surprised though, that this is in the &quot;Devil&#039;s Advocate&quot; category!  I agree with all the arguments you make and personally don&#039;t keep track of my budget to the penny. Hmmm....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! I am a little surprised though, that this is in the &#8220;Devil&#8217;s Advocate&#8221; category!  I agree with all the arguments you make and personally don&#8217;t keep track of my budget to the penny. Hmmm&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse:  I&#039;m not sure why you decided to take issue with the statement &quot;If it&#039;s hard, you&#039;re less likely to keep it up.&quot;  It is a true statement for any human activity -- when things are more difficult, people are more likely to lose their resolve.

If a person with poor financial habits decides to change their ways, it is important that they pick an approach that is easy and managable.  The easier their budgeting system is, the more likely they are to continue using it and to break their bad habits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse:  I&#8217;m not sure why you decided to take issue with the statement &#8220;If it&#8217;s hard, you&#8217;re less likely to keep it up.&#8221;  It is a true statement for any human activity &#8212; when things are more difficult, people are more likely to lose their resolve.</p>
<p>If a person with poor financial habits decides to change their ways, it is important that they pick an approach that is easy and managable.  The easier their budgeting system is, the more likely they are to continue using it and to break their bad habits.</p>
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		<title>By: investorblogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>investorblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never track expenses to the penny anymore. It was just too frustrating. I have another system...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never track expenses to the penny anymore. It was just too frustrating. I have another system&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RootAnn</title>
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		<dc:creator>RootAnn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the one who manages the budget/finances/investments in the family. We&#039;ve been on a budget since Jan 2002. I track to the &#039;penny&#039; with things I have a receipt or notation of what we spent. We do have a certain amount of cash that comes out that doesn&#039;t get tracked - kind of like a previous poster&#039;s &quot;fun money&quot; but it isn&#039;t a set amount and it is less than 0.5% of income.

Because my husband is not on salary (paid hourly) and our expenses vary so much from month to month, we&#039;d be in trouble if we spent everything he made each month. There would be nothing for those months where our expenses exceed his income. The budget helps smooth everything over. My budget varies by month depending on the expenses I know will occur. (We shop for household supplies/food in bulk every 5-8 weeks, professional dues/expenses or insurance costs due once a year, etc.) So, we have saved the money from the larger pay months to pay for those larger expense months due to good budgeting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the one who manages the budget/finances/investments in the family. We&#8217;ve been on a budget since Jan 2002. I track to the &#8216;penny&#8217; with things I have a receipt or notation of what we spent. We do have a certain amount of cash that comes out that doesn&#8217;t get tracked &#8211; kind of like a previous poster&#8217;s &#8220;fun money&#8221; but it isn&#8217;t a set amount and it is less than 0.5% of income.</p>
<p>Because my husband is not on salary (paid hourly) and our expenses vary so much from month to month, we&#8217;d be in trouble if we spent everything he made each month. There would be nothing for those months where our expenses exceed his income. The budget helps smooth everything over. My budget varies by month depending on the expenses I know will occur. (We shop for household supplies/food in bulk every 5-8 weeks, professional dues/expenses or insurance costs due once a year, etc.) So, we have saved the money from the larger pay months to pay for those larger expense months due to good budgeting.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Carlson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Carlson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even income taxes get rounded to the nearest dollar.  This is an entirely reasonable proposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even income taxes get rounded to the nearest dollar.  This is an entirely reasonable proposition.</p>
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		<title>By: zen</title>
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		<dc:creator>zen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 04:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dustin:

I&#039;m with you.

I&#039;d much prefer to round up (under-budget, I suppose?) and be surprised at the amount of money I have, rather than play the round-up/down game which could cut short.

I&#039;m still hammering away at a decent budget (new job, new expenses, make that a little difficult) but my wife and I are akin to overestimating expenses for the sake of always having a buffer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dustin:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d much prefer to round up (under-budget, I suppose?) and be surprised at the amount of money I have, rather than play the round-up/down game which could cut short.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still hammering away at a decent budget (new job, new expenses, make that a little difficult) but my wife and I are akin to overestimating expenses for the sake of always having a buffer.</p>
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		<title>By: aggressive saver</title>
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		<dc:creator>aggressive saver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 03:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>budgets are not for me.  i tried them several times and found that i&#039;d be way over budget every month, but i was still doing fine financially.  if you are disciplined about saving and investing -- say, if a part of your take home pay gets stashed away in an account you don&#039;t touch, you can be a bit looser with your spending, so long as you don&#039;t go into debt along the way.  to me, what you have after expenses, saving, and investing is disposable income.  which is not to say that you throw it away, but don&#039;t worry about putting every penny, dollar, or even $100 into a specific bucket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>budgets are not for me.  i tried them several times and found that i&#8217;d be way over budget every month, but i was still doing fine financially.  if you are disciplined about saving and investing &#8212; say, if a part of your take home pay gets stashed away in an account you don&#8217;t touch, you can be a bit looser with your spending, so long as you don&#8217;t go into debt along the way.  to me, what you have after expenses, saving, and investing is disposable income.  which is not to say that you throw it away, but don&#8217;t worry about putting every penny, dollar, or even $100 into a specific bucket.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Morrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Morrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 02:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea of making enough money where the amount I spend doesn&#039;t really matter.  If, for example, you&#039;re making $300,000 per year and practice relatively sensible money habits, then the question of whether to go to a movie or rent the DVD isn&#039;t really a matter of how much it will cost.  You can spend a few extra dollars here and there and still have plenty to invest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of making enough money where the amount I spend doesn&#8217;t really matter.  If, for example, you&#8217;re making $300,000 per year and practice relatively sensible money habits, then the question of whether to go to a movie or rent the DVD isn&#8217;t really a matter of how much it will cost.  You can spend a few extra dollars here and there and still have plenty to invest.</p>
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		<title>By: limeade</title>
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		<dc:creator>limeade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a big fan of budgets. They seem to have the same lifespan as the last diet you went on and the gym membership you swore you&#039;d use.

The whole point of a budget is to ensure that you&#039;re spending less than you&#039;re earning. Put a little differently, the budget is to ensure that you have free cash flow left over.

Take out a certain percentage from your income for emergencies and then investments. The rest is for your bills and other living expenses. Keep it simple.

-limeade
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a big fan of budgets. They seem to have the same lifespan as the last diet you went on and the gym membership you swore you&#8217;d use.</p>
<p>The whole point of a budget is to ensure that you&#8217;re spending less than you&#8217;re earning. Put a little differently, the budget is to ensure that you have free cash flow left over.</p>
<p>Take out a certain percentage from your income for emergencies and then investments. The rest is for your bills and other living expenses. Keep it simple.</p>
<p>-limeade<br />
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse: &quot;Why do you say fifty cents is okay (because of rounding)? I think it’s more of a materiality threshold for individuals based on how much they have to “work with” as a whole. To some, even fifty cents is a big deal. To others, $50 hardly has them batting an eye.&quot;

If fifty cents is a big deal in your budget, always round up and you&#039;re guaranteed you won&#039;t ever be off. Clearly this cannot be taken in a vacuum and if you&#039;re going to be strategizing your budget, you would take that into account.

Incidentally, if your budget can&#039;t handle being off by 50 cents, you need to add more buffer in your budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse: &#8220;Why do you say fifty cents is okay (because of rounding)? I think it’s more of a materiality threshold for individuals based on how much they have to “work with” as a whole. To some, even fifty cents is a big deal. To others, $50 hardly has them batting an eye.&#8221;</p>
<p>If fifty cents is a big deal in your budget, always round up and you&#8217;re guaranteed you won&#8217;t ever be off. Clearly this cannot be taken in a vacuum and if you&#8217;re going to be strategizing your budget, you would take that into account.</p>
<p>Incidentally, if your budget can&#8217;t handle being off by 50 cents, you need to add more buffer in your budget.</p>
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