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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A GREAT idea &amp; one I hadn&#039;t thought of!!! 
How can you do this &amp; WHAT cards do you recommend? 
Thanks, David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A GREAT idea &amp; one I hadn&#8217;t thought of!!!<br />
How can you do this &amp; WHAT cards do you recommend?<br />
Thanks, David</p>
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		<title>By: ningpo</title>
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		<dc:creator>ningpo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s only meant for individuals that can handle credit and debt responsibly. &quot;, oxymoran, springs to mind!  our math is ok, but aren&#039;t we losing sight of the &#039;problem&#039;.?  the question is how can we increase our discipline muscle and get support to do that?  the math is easy and we all are in a different situation so we&#039;ll leave that up to the individual.  NOW, what&#039;s the purpose of the blog, great title, but to the right and the left are ads tearing at our very financial roots!  is this really what we want on the same site?  success, another questioning searcher ...  ::-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s only meant for individuals that can handle credit and debt responsibly. &#8220;, oxymoran, springs to mind!  our math is ok, but aren&#8217;t we losing sight of the &#8216;problem&#8217;.?  the question is how can we increase our discipline muscle and get support to do that?  the math is easy and we all are in a different situation so we&#8217;ll leave that up to the individual.  NOW, what&#8217;s the purpose of the blog, great title, but to the right and the left are ads tearing at our very financial roots!  is this really what we want on the same site?  success, another questioning searcher &#8230;  ::-)</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>icup: you are right though that the offers are getting fewer and fewer, i bet the subprime lending issues are having an affect on that. what&#039;s nice about citi is that you can just have them cut you a check, then do &lt;a href=&quot;http://balancetransferarbitrage.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;balance transfer arbitrage&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>icup: you are right though that the offers are getting fewer and fewer, i bet the subprime lending issues are having an affect on that. what&#8217;s nice about citi is that you can just have them cut you a check, then do <a href="http://balancetransferarbitrage.com" rel="nofollow">balance transfer arbitrage</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: icup</title>
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		<dc:creator>icup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jim, actually that is a good deal too because it has a $50 maximum, so anything you transfer in excess of $1600 would lower that percentage rate below 3% if they weren&#039;t waiving it.

But those offers are few and getting fewer. I have good credit, and could probably get this card if I applied for it, but the ones I&#039;m getting in the mail have been mostly the no-cap 3 percenters with a couple of $99-cap 3 percenters thrown in for good measure.

Good find though. Almost makes me wish I had something to transfer to it to take advantage of cheap money. Almost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jim, actually that is a good deal too because it has a $50 maximum, so anything you transfer in excess of $1600 would lower that percentage rate below 3% if they weren&#8217;t waiving it.</p>
<p>But those offers are few and getting fewer. I have good credit, and could probably get this card if I applied for it, but the ones I&#8217;m getting in the mail have been mostly the no-cap 3 percenters with a couple of $99-cap 3 percenters thrown in for good measure.</p>
<p>Good find though. Almost makes me wish I had something to transfer to it to take advantage of cheap money. Almost.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>icup: there are still no fee 0% balance transfer out there, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/cards/citi-professional.php?tag=homeeq&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;citi professional card&lt;/a&gt; is one example. It lists the fee but says &quot;waived with this offer.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>icup: there are still no fee 0% balance transfer out there, the <a href="http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/cards/citi-professional.php?tag=homeeq" rel="nofollow">citi professional card</a> is one example. It lists the fee but says &#8220;waived with this offer.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: icup</title>
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		<dc:creator>icup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding &#039;other credit cards&#039;. There is no such thing as a 0% balance transfer any more. &quot;HA!&quot;, you say, &quot;You&#039;re wrong! I just got one in the mail today!&quot;. Well, read the fine print. You get 0%* interest, * = 3% transfer fee applies ($5 minimum, NO maximum). So all that means is you are paying the 3% yearly interest fee up front.

Of course, 3% is still better than 18%. I&#039;m not arguing that. I just wish they would call it what it is. Its not a 0% transfer. Its a 3% transfer. Which is still better than a 6% HELOC by the way, no argument there. 

I&#039;m not criticizing you by the way, I&#039;m just ranting against the shady tactics the cc corps use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding &#8216;other credit cards&#8217;. There is no such thing as a 0% balance transfer any more. &#8220;HA!&#8221;, you say, &#8220;You&#8217;re wrong! I just got one in the mail today!&#8221;. Well, read the fine print. You get 0%* interest, * = 3% transfer fee applies ($5 minimum, NO maximum). So all that means is you are paying the 3% yearly interest fee up front.</p>
<p>Of course, 3% is still better than 18%. I&#8217;m not arguing that. I just wish they would call it what it is. Its not a 0% transfer. Its a 3% transfer. Which is still better than a 6% HELOC by the way, no argument there. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not criticizing you by the way, I&#8217;m just ranting against the shady tactics the cc corps use.</p>
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		<title>By: My Dollar Plan</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Dollar Plan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually prefer to do the opposite and use credit cards to pay off my Heloc!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually prefer to do the opposite and use credit cards to pay off my Heloc!!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen getting a Home Equity loan cause folks to crash and burn, and help others to regain control of their finances from sudden financial setbacks.  I think the problem is being honest with yourself in how you&#039;ll really use it, and really have a plan to pay it back.  In the context of this article, it&#039;s a delaying factor to buy time, not a fix.  

One point I don&#039;t necessarily agree with, is if you screw up and can&#039;t pay it back, sure they can go after your home, but if you&#039;re in that kind of shape, chances are you&#039;re not going to be paying the mortgage either regardless of the methods you&#039;re using.

Personally, I like the 0% interest offers.   I&#039;m currently using this to help me gain control of my credit card debt.  I&#039;ve rolled the balances over three times so far and have cut the debt in half.  The offers usually start flooding in between now and February.  One point on these offers, be very careful because even with good credit, the fine print allows them to do three things.  The first is not give you 0%, but rather some lowerer number, e.g. 3%, based on your credit history/rating.  Another is that they may not give you a sufficient credit line to cover the whole amount you&#039;re asking for and  finally they may require you to actually use the card, or they&#039;ll start charging you some rate of interest.

I had the last two mentioned happen to me.  They only approved a credit line for 3K of the 8K I was asking for, and they wanted me to make at least one purchase per billing cycle after the first 60 days to keep from triggering their changing the terms to charge me interest.  So I had to get a payment in right away, and then make a small purchase with the card in the next billing cycle, because if you go over their limit, that also triggers the charging of interest and of course, a fee.  Fortunately the second card I used to cover the 5K they didn&#039;t had none of these issues associated with it.  Guess which card I&#039;m still using.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen getting a Home Equity loan cause folks to crash and burn, and help others to regain control of their finances from sudden financial setbacks.  I think the problem is being honest with yourself in how you&#8217;ll really use it, and really have a plan to pay it back.  In the context of this article, it&#8217;s a delaying factor to buy time, not a fix.  </p>
<p>One point I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with, is if you screw up and can&#8217;t pay it back, sure they can go after your home, but if you&#8217;re in that kind of shape, chances are you&#8217;re not going to be paying the mortgage either regardless of the methods you&#8217;re using.</p>
<p>Personally, I like the 0% interest offers.   I&#8217;m currently using this to help me gain control of my credit card debt.  I&#8217;ve rolled the balances over three times so far and have cut the debt in half.  The offers usually start flooding in between now and February.  One point on these offers, be very careful because even with good credit, the fine print allows them to do three things.  The first is not give you 0%, but rather some lowerer number, e.g. 3%, based on your credit history/rating.  Another is that they may not give you a sufficient credit line to cover the whole amount you&#8217;re asking for and  finally they may require you to actually use the card, or they&#8217;ll start charging you some rate of interest.</p>
<p>I had the last two mentioned happen to me.  They only approved a credit line for 3K of the 8K I was asking for, and they wanted me to make at least one purchase per billing cycle after the first 60 days to keep from triggering their changing the terms to charge me interest.  So I had to get a payment in right away, and then make a small purchase with the card in the next billing cycle, because if you go over their limit, that also triggers the charging of interest and of course, a fee.  Fortunately the second card I used to cover the 5K they didn&#8217;t had none of these issues associated with it.  Guess which card I&#8217;m still using.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda @ Me vs Debt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda @ Me vs Debt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see JD&#039;s point that it is an option, but way too risky for my taste!

Plus you make a great point about the psychological impact of high interest rates.  I take it personally and make it my mission to get out of debt in spite of the card companies.  I&#039;m at a point where I&#039;ve done EVERYTHING short of home equity loan to improve my situation.  (Balance transfers, Prosper, second job, endless phone calls to customer service reps that will no longer budge...) Time to &lt;strike&gt;accept the crappy rates&lt;/strike&gt; get rid of the crappy rates by paying down balances ASAP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see JD&#8217;s point that it is an option, but way too risky for my taste!</p>
<p>Plus you make a great point about the psychological impact of high interest rates.  I take it personally and make it my mission to get out of debt in spite of the card companies.  I&#8217;m at a point where I&#8217;ve done EVERYTHING short of home equity loan to improve my situation.  (Balance transfers, Prosper, second job, endless phone calls to customer service reps that will no longer budge&#8230;) Time to <strike>accept the crappy rates</strike> get rid of the crappy rates by paying down balances ASAP!</p>
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		<title>By: Minimum Wage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minimum Wage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I promise I will not use home equity to pay off unsecured debt.</description>
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		<title>By: TTFK</title>
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		<dc:creator>TTFK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hallelujah!  I&#039;ve been telling people for years that converting unsecured debt into secured debt is right at the top of the no-no list, and they look at me like I grew a 3rd arm out of my ear.

If it all hits the fan, dealing with collection agencies and 7 years of credit hell is MUCH more preferable than losing your home!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hallelujah!  I&#8217;ve been telling people for years that converting unsecured debt into secured debt is right at the top of the no-no list, and they look at me like I grew a 3rd arm out of my ear.</p>
<p>If it all hits the fan, dealing with collection agencies and 7 years of credit hell is MUCH more preferable than losing your home!</p>
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		<title>By: The Saving Freak</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Saving Freak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just ask the credit card company for a lower rate.  They will give it to you if you are polite.  This has worked 9 times out of 10 in experiences I have had with financial counseling.  Ask for 0% and they will counter with something reasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just ask the credit card company for a lower rate.  They will give it to you if you are polite.  This has worked 9 times out of 10 in experiences I have had with financial counseling.  Ask for 0% and they will counter with something reasonable.</p>
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