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		<title>By: JSH</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/employers-showing-total-compensation-a-good-idea.html/comment-page-1#comment-80389</link>
		<dc:creator>JSH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading one of Walter Williams&#039; books this weekend and ran across a reference to a similar total compensation form.  This one has a political agenda (which I happen to agree with).

&quot;The Right To Know Payroll Form helps employees be better informed in the democratic process by shattering the myth that taxes, regulations, and mandates on businesses do not affect them personally.&quot;

http://www.mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=17</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading one of Walter Williams&#8217; books this weekend and ran across a reference to a similar total compensation form.  This one has a political agenda (which I happen to agree with).</p>
<p>&#8220;The Right To Know Payroll Form helps employees be better informed in the democratic process by shattering the myth that taxes, regulations, and mandates on businesses do not affect them personally.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=17" rel="nofollow">http://www.mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=17</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People that have expensive health care costs in my opinion typically need to (1) live healthier lifestyles and/or (2) stop having kids.  My health insurance costs me $50/month and nearly all of that is going to subsidize some other irresponsible person as I use very very little each year (one doctor&#039;s visit constitutes one too many).  Yeah, yeah, I&#039;ll get old one day and need the insurance money then, blah, blah, sure - but I still don&#039;t feel like paying it now.

Same goes for car insurance (and all insurance for that matter) - a total rip for those of us who are responsible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People that have expensive health care costs in my opinion typically need to (1) live healthier lifestyles and/or (2) stop having kids.  My health insurance costs me $50/month and nearly all of that is going to subsidize some other irresponsible person as I use very very little each year (one doctor&#8217;s visit constitutes one too many).  Yeah, yeah, I&#8217;ll get old one day and need the insurance money then, blah, blah, sure &#8211; but I still don&#8217;t feel like paying it now.</p>
<p>Same goes for car insurance (and all insurance for that matter) &#8211; a total rip for those of us who are responsible.</p>
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		<title>By: Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Tool.  I&#039;m really insulted with the total compensation sheet I get, but I don&#039;t find it helpful.  If I&#039;m looking to leave jobs, in my offer I&#039;m likely to get a new salary... not another full up total compensation sheet.  So it&#039;s a useless comparison.

And the comparison is all that matters (to me).  How much am I getting?  Do I more or less medical with company x or y for comparable coverage.  Those are the questions.  Maybe this sheet attempts to answer that, but without identically structured sheets from other companies, its just not useful.

Maybe it answers some curiousity questions I had, but that&#039;s it.  Big freakin whoop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Tool.  I&#8217;m really insulted with the total compensation sheet I get, but I don&#8217;t find it helpful.  If I&#8217;m looking to leave jobs, in my offer I&#8217;m likely to get a new salary&#8230; not another full up total compensation sheet.  So it&#8217;s a useless comparison.</p>
<p>And the comparison is all that matters (to me).  How much am I getting?  Do I more or less medical with company x or y for comparable coverage.  Those are the questions.  Maybe this sheet attempts to answer that, but without identically structured sheets from other companies, its just not useful.</p>
<p>Maybe it answers some curiousity questions I had, but that&#8217;s it.  Big freakin whoop.</p>
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		<title>By: whodean</title>
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		<dc:creator>whodean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 01:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like it or not the report your company is giving you is the total of what it costs your company to employ you and it is a very viable report.

To &quot;Tool Man&quot;...Do you understand the basic tenets of capitalism and competition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like it or not the report your company is giving you is the total of what it costs your company to employ you and it is a very viable report.</p>
<p>To &#8220;Tool Man&#8221;&#8230;Do you understand the basic tenets of capitalism and competition?</p>
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		<title>By: Tool Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tool Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Showing you a number is all fine and dandy but that&#039;s all it is, it&#039;s just a number.  If the company in question is giving total compensation reports to combat a perceived disparity in compensation within an industry, how about giving us a ratio or comparables.  So what if I&#039;m making $100,000 in total compensation.  I have nothing to compare it to.  They give you these reports to put a larger number in front of you in hopes you will focus on the larger, total number than the actual salary.  I doubt a company would ever give comparables, because that would force their hand and share information that they hold in super-secret places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Showing you a number is all fine and dandy but that&#8217;s all it is, it&#8217;s just a number.  If the company in question is giving total compensation reports to combat a perceived disparity in compensation within an industry, how about giving us a ratio or comparables.  So what if I&#8217;m making $100,000 in total compensation.  I have nothing to compare it to.  They give you these reports to put a larger number in front of you in hopes you will focus on the larger, total number than the actual salary.  I doubt a company would ever give comparables, because that would force their hand and share information that they hold in super-secret places.</p>
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		<title>By: mapgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>mapgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got one at my last job and it helped nudge me out of that shop. For the $8K they spent on my health insurance, I could have canceled my coverage and shopped around for a private HMO at half that price. But in saving the company money, there would have been no commensurate increase in my base salary. Nor do I think they would have just given me the cash if I asked for it. (which I didn&#039;t even try to do. I left before actually switching insurance carriers, but that thought had crossed my mind many times.)

The statement is an eye-opener if you&#039;re at the wrong firm. If you&#039;re at the right firm, it means nothing. It&#039;s a bit of PR spin saying, &quot;Look at all the wonderful things we do for you!&quot; But really, it&#039;s a glaring reality check of what you are/are not receiving. I think my old company meant for people leaving to look at their figures and make sure they asked for a higher, ie non-competitive salary, at their new company and then get denied the higher compensation they were looking to receive and then stay. However, as was my case, the desired salary that I asked for was denied, but I still received a very good package that was still $10K higher than my old company&#039;s total compensation. So my old company can go pound sand for the two years of undervaluation they gave me.

I feel that I might have more to say about this in the next few weeks. I can tell you that receiving this did help push me out the door. I&#039;ll have to dig out my old statement. I bet I saved it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got one at my last job and it helped nudge me out of that shop. For the $8K they spent on my health insurance, I could have canceled my coverage and shopped around for a private HMO at half that price. But in saving the company money, there would have been no commensurate increase in my base salary. Nor do I think they would have just given me the cash if I asked for it. (which I didn&#8217;t even try to do. I left before actually switching insurance carriers, but that thought had crossed my mind many times.)</p>
<p>The statement is an eye-opener if you&#8217;re at the wrong firm. If you&#8217;re at the right firm, it means nothing. It&#8217;s a bit of PR spin saying, &#8220;Look at all the wonderful things we do for you!&#8221; But really, it&#8217;s a glaring reality check of what you are/are not receiving. I think my old company meant for people leaving to look at their figures and make sure they asked for a higher, ie non-competitive salary, at their new company and then get denied the higher compensation they were looking to receive and then stay. However, as was my case, the desired salary that I asked for was denied, but I still received a very good package that was still $10K higher than my old company&#8217;s total compensation. So my old company can go pound sand for the two years of undervaluation they gave me.</p>
<p>I feel that I might have more to say about this in the next few weeks. I can tell you that receiving this did help push me out the door. I&#8217;ll have to dig out my old statement. I bet I saved it.</p>
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		<title>By: eROCK</title>
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		<dc:creator>eROCK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually had to bargain with a recruiter in regards to my salary and she must have had a sheet with her at the time ... she tried to tell me they could pay me $x more because they&#039;ll be paying for my training.

I seem to think training is part of the companies expense in highering me, I shouldn&#039;t have to bear their burden, IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually had to bargain with a recruiter in regards to my salary and she must have had a sheet with her at the time &#8230; she tried to tell me they could pay me $x more because they&#8217;ll be paying for my training.</p>
<p>I seem to think training is part of the companies expense in highering me, I shouldn&#8217;t have to bear their burden, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyFwd</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoneyFwd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this could be useful just for bargaining, or when changing jobs.  Since my wife will hopefully get a new job in september that pays better benefits, we want to drop my benefits.  I think the company should pay me what they would have paid for their portion of my insurance.  Some companies do this, I don&#039;t know if mine does, but it makes sense that they should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this could be useful just for bargaining, or when changing jobs.  Since my wife will hopefully get a new job in september that pays better benefits, we want to drop my benefits.  I think the company should pay me what they would have paid for their portion of my insurance.  Some companies do this, I don&#8217;t know if mine does, but it makes sense that they should.</p>
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		<title>By: Tinyhands</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tinyhands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at it from executive management&#039;s point of view though. The SEC now wants companies to report the total compensation of the executives. From the CEO&#039;s point of view, he&#039;s just doing it for the whole company (although not on the 10K).

There&#039;s A logic to it, the value of which is debatable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at it from executive management&#8217;s point of view though. The SEC now wants companies to report the total compensation of the executives. From the CEO&#8217;s point of view, he&#8217;s just doing it for the whole company (although not on the 10K).</p>
<p>There&#8217;s A logic to it, the value of which is debatable.</p>
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		<title>By: ehm</title>
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		<dc:creator>ehm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like seeing this.  Yes, social security and medicare are irrelevant because they are payroll taxes, but seeing health insurance is good.

I&#039;ve worked for local gov&#039;t and a non-profit in the past.  The salary is lower, but that was partially made up by covering 100% of health care premiums.  When I made the move to a corporate position, it was important to know the exact costs so I could make sure that I was adequately compensated (since I now have to pay a portion of my premiums).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like seeing this.  Yes, social security and medicare are irrelevant because they are payroll taxes, but seeing health insurance is good.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve worked for local gov&#8217;t and a non-profit in the past.  The salary is lower, but that was partially made up by covering 100% of health care premiums.  When I made the move to a corporate position, it was important to know the exact costs so I could make sure that I was adequately compensated (since I now have to pay a portion of my premiums).</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knowing the exact raise I would be receiving 6 months from now, regardless of my work performance would probably deter me from doing much more than that raise afforded me.

Also I was told once that the average employee cost approximately 50% more than their salary for benefits, expenses, etc.  Just following this rule and a person could figure out a nice approximation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knowing the exact raise I would be receiving 6 months from now, regardless of my work performance would probably deter me from doing much more than that raise afforded me.</p>
<p>Also I was told once that the average employee cost approximately 50% more than their salary for benefits, expenses, etc.  Just following this rule and a person could figure out a nice approximation.</p>
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		<title>By: RootAnn</title>
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		<dc:creator>RootAnn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband and I have both received these in the past. We just look at them as another P.R. tactic for the firm. I&#039;ve heard some people be surprised at how much of the health insurance costs are covered by the employer, but if they compared year-to-year (at my husband&#039;s place of employment), the employer&#039;s share is going down. Not exactly impressive. It is a &quot;look at how much we do for you&quot; brochure. Waste of money to print it out, but obviously someone thinks it is worth the effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I have both received these in the past. We just look at them as another P.R. tactic for the firm. I&#8217;ve heard some people be surprised at how much of the health insurance costs are covered by the employer, but if they compared year-to-year (at my husband&#8217;s place of employment), the employer&#8217;s share is going down. Not exactly impressive. It is a &#8220;look at how much we do for you&#8221; brochure. Waste of money to print it out, but obviously someone thinks it is worth the effort.</p>
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		<title>By: zen</title>
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		<dc:creator>zen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree it&#039;s a bit pretentious, it does give you all the information you need to compare to a new job.

And like has been stated, there might be a reason why they give/don&#039;t give the collection of information to you, but seeing how more information isn&#039;t necessarily bad, I&#039;d welcome knowing what the company &#039;does&#039; for me. It&#039;ll help me when I look at a different company and realize that they may pay me more money, but my benefits/other options may suffer because of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree it&#8217;s a bit pretentious, it does give you all the information you need to compare to a new job.</p>
<p>And like has been stated, there might be a reason why they give/don&#8217;t give the collection of information to you, but seeing how more information isn&#8217;t necessarily bad, I&#8217;d welcome knowing what the company &#8216;does&#8217; for me. It&#8217;ll help me when I look at a different company and realize that they may pay me more money, but my benefits/other options may suffer because of it.</p>
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		<title>By: CK</title>
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		<dc:creator>CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never received one of these but I can&#039;t imagine getting so worked up about it.  It&#039;s a piece of paper look at it and move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never received one of these but I can&#8217;t imagine getting so worked up about it.  It&#8217;s a piece of paper look at it and move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my view, I would have to look at the culture of the company before deciding on whether a &quot;total compensation package sheet&quot; is intended to be benevolent or malevolent.

One point is that the company is paying someone to specifically detail every employee&#039;s compensation package. I&#039;m not saying that non-monetary -- or otherwise -- compensation shouldn&#039;t be tracked, but it does raise an important question: &quot;Why is the company doing this?&quot;

Another point is that you do not know how much you&#039;re worth until you actually start looking at job boards to find out what the market is willing to pay someone such as yourself with your general skill-sets. For me, it turned out that my current second job (total industry change, actually) pays me &gt;20% more than what I had been making in a previous job that paralleled what I originally went to college for.

Bottom line: The whole discussion is academic until you find out (1) the culture of your company and (2) what anyone else is willing to pay you for doing the same job elsewhere.

Your job is worth precisely and exactly what someone is willing to pay you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my view, I would have to look at the culture of the company before deciding on whether a &#8220;total compensation package sheet&#8221; is intended to be benevolent or malevolent.</p>
<p>One point is that the company is paying someone to specifically detail every employee&#8217;s compensation package. I&#8217;m not saying that non-monetary &#8212; or otherwise &#8212; compensation shouldn&#8217;t be tracked, but it does raise an important question: &#8220;Why is the company doing this?&#8221;</p>
<p>Another point is that you do not know how much you&#8217;re worth until you actually start looking at job boards to find out what the market is willing to pay someone such as yourself with your general skill-sets. For me, it turned out that my current second job (total industry change, actually) pays me &gt;20% more than what I had been making in a previous job that paralleled what I originally went to college for.</p>
<p>Bottom line: The whole discussion is academic until you find out (1) the culture of your company and (2) what anyone else is willing to pay you for doing the same job elsewhere.</p>
<p>Your job is worth precisely and exactly what someone is willing to pay you.</p>
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