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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 22:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear David:
           My wife had similar situation like you. She had breast cancer 20 years ago and she pulled it thru all these years. No company would give her insurance. She got her luck with Mega-life ins.co.in Illinois. May be you get lucky. Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear David:<br />
           My wife had similar situation like you. She had breast cancer 20 years ago and she pulled it thru all these years. No company would give her insurance. She got her luck with Mega-life ins.co.in Illinois. May be you get lucky. Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: HelloThere</title>
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		<dc:creator>HelloThere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI: If employer goes out of business while your on COBRA, your coverage will most likely be terminated. 

Also, if you go without coverage longer than 62 consecutive days then pre-existing conditions my not be covered under the new plan, self insured or employer insured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI: If employer goes out of business while your on COBRA, your coverage will most likely be terminated. </p>
<p>Also, if you go without coverage longer than 62 consecutive days then pre-existing conditions my not be covered under the new plan, self insured or employer insured.</p>
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		<title>By: HelloThere</title>
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		<dc:creator>HelloThere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HSA is great way to go if you are a healthy young male that rarely gets sick or injured, does not require regular doctor visits, have no pre-existing conditions and do not require medication.

This would not be a good fit for older males and women of any age, anyone with pre-existing conditions, or you get ill/seriously ill. The costs far exceed any benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HSA is great way to go if you are a healthy young male that rarely gets sick or injured, does not require regular doctor visits, have no pre-existing conditions and do not require medication.</p>
<p>This would not be a good fit for older males and women of any age, anyone with pre-existing conditions, or you get ill/seriously ill. The costs far exceed any benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Funny about Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funny about Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>darn... failed to type all the words that were in my head:  &quot;The only one that alleges to cover you more or less completely &lt;i&gt;is an HMO&lt;/i&gt;; ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>darn&#8230; failed to type all the words that were in my head:  &#8220;The only one that alleges to cover you more or less completely <i>is an HMO</i>; &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Funny about Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funny about Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, none of those options looks great. The only one that alleges to cover you more or less completely; after watching my mother die hideously in an HMO (it&#039;s not in an HMO&#039;s interest to admit you have an expensive catastrophic illness -- since you&#039;re going to die anyway, they simply will deny you&#039;re sick until you&#039;re so close to death it&#039;s too late to treat you and it won&#039;t cost much to cover the few days or weeks you have left), you couldn&#039;t herd me into an HMO on a bet.

As for the others: 30 percent of a $100,000 procedure (say...a triple bypass? a kidney transplant? cancer treatment?) is $30,000. You&#039;re sick, you may be disabled to the point where you can&#039;t work, and you&#039;re saddled with a $30,000 debt...and that may just be for starters. That way, my friends, lies bankruptcy.

And $174/month is not my idea of &quot;cheap.&quot; When you&#039;re unemployed or living on Social Security (you&#039;re not eligible for Medicare till you 65 but can start SS at 62, which in this economy an older laid-off worker may be forced to do), that could represent a  large chunk of your income. Since most freelancers earn around 10 grand a year, it&#039;s potentially unaffordable.

Last time I had to carry my own policy, like Damon I had an HSA. It had a very high deductible, higher than the maximum I was allowed to contribute to the savings account in a single year. Consequently, had I fallen ill in the first year of coverage, the amount in the savings account would not have paid the deductible. Bank fees on the savings account were astonishing. Premiums were high -- as much as I had been paying for the most expensive PPO at my employer&#039;s. However, it covered any doctor I chose (not just docs in a network), and coverage was 100%. Lifetime coverage was unlimited. 

The system we have now is just not adequate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, none of those options looks great. The only one that alleges to cover you more or less completely; after watching my mother die hideously in an HMO (it&#8217;s not in an HMO&#8217;s interest to admit you have an expensive catastrophic illness &#8212; since you&#8217;re going to die anyway, they simply will deny you&#8217;re sick until you&#8217;re so close to death it&#8217;s too late to treat you and it won&#8217;t cost much to cover the few days or weeks you have left), you couldn&#8217;t herd me into an HMO on a bet.</p>
<p>As for the others: 30 percent of a $100,000 procedure (say&#8230;a triple bypass? a kidney transplant? cancer treatment?) is $30,000. You&#8217;re sick, you may be disabled to the point where you can&#8217;t work, and you&#8217;re saddled with a $30,000 debt&#8230;and that may just be for starters. That way, my friends, lies bankruptcy.</p>
<p>And $174/month is not my idea of &#8220;cheap.&#8221; When you&#8217;re unemployed or living on Social Security (you&#8217;re not eligible for Medicare till you 65 but can start SS at 62, which in this economy an older laid-off worker may be forced to do), that could represent a  large chunk of your income. Since most freelancers earn around 10 grand a year, it&#8217;s potentially unaffordable.</p>
<p>Last time I had to carry my own policy, like Damon I had an HSA. It had a very high deductible, higher than the maximum I was allowed to contribute to the savings account in a single year. Consequently, had I fallen ill in the first year of coverage, the amount in the savings account would not have paid the deductible. Bank fees on the savings account were astonishing. Premiums were high &#8212; as much as I had been paying for the most expensive PPO at my employer&#8217;s. However, it covered any doctor I chose (not just docs in a network), and coverage was 100%. Lifetime coverage was unlimited. </p>
<p>The system we have now is just not adequate.</p>
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		<title>By: Damon Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damon Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always been self employed and what I do is have major medical coverage for myself and my family.  I have an HSA set up for myself and my wife that we contribute into each year.  Our deductibles are 2400 a piece.  It works out well because we have a PPO witch provides us with much better options than an HMO in my opinion, and our premiums are much lower than if we had something like cobra where you only pay a little copay.  I can also deduct the cost of my insurance on my taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always been self employed and what I do is have major medical coverage for myself and my family.  I have an HSA set up for myself and my wife that we contribute into each year.  Our deductibles are 2400 a piece.  It works out well because we have a PPO witch provides us with much better options than an HMO in my opinion, and our premiums are much lower than if we had something like cobra where you only pay a little copay.  I can also deduct the cost of my insurance on my taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Carla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What is everybody worrying about then?&quot;

Not everyone is single, young, childless and healthy.  Also rates vary depending on where you live.  The last time I qualified for private health insurance, I was 27 and was looking at paying $380/month which was a lot of money for me.  When I was laid off on disability this past June, my COBRA was going to be $600/mo before the ARRA package. Now that I recently moved out of state, I had to wave COBRA goodbye and now looking into group insurance for freelancers (which I will pay out of the nose for).  My case is relatively mild compared what what millions of people in this country is going though.  

That&#039;s what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What is everybody worrying about then?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not everyone is single, young, childless and healthy.  Also rates vary depending on where you live.  The last time I qualified for private health insurance, I was 27 and was looking at paying $380/month which was a lot of money for me.  When I was laid off on disability this past June, my COBRA was going to be $600/mo before the ARRA package. Now that I recently moved out of state, I had to wave COBRA goodbye and now looking into group insurance for freelancers (which I will pay out of the nose for).  My case is relatively mild compared what what millions of people in this country is going though.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what.</p>
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		<title>By: Carla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still in the process of looking into group insurance for the self-employed since I dont (and maybe never will) qualify for an individual plan.  I checked the Freelancers Union link but there isn&#039;t anything available in my zip code. :-/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still in the process of looking into group insurance for the self-employed since I dont (and maybe never will) qualify for an individual plan.  I checked the Freelancers Union link but there isn&#8217;t anything available in my zip code. :-/</p>
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		<title>By: Debt Free Dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debt Free Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every state has different rules, but in some states you can create a two person group and then you can&#039;t be denied for pre-existing conditions.  You&#039;ll probably need to form a corporation and then make you and your spouse employees of the corporation.

The downside of this is that you end up with two separate deductibles instead of one family deductible.  However it can work if you are careful and do the math so you know exactly what you are getting into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every state has different rules, but in some states you can create a two person group and then you can&#8217;t be denied for pre-existing conditions.  You&#8217;ll probably need to form a corporation and then make you and your spouse employees of the corporation.</p>
<p>The downside of this is that you end up with two separate deductibles instead of one family deductible.  However it can work if you are careful and do the math so you know exactly what you are getting into.</p>
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		<title>By: John DeFlumeri Jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>John DeFlumeri Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter what, there will be high deductibles, and probably no prescription coverage.  Good luck is something we hope for, don&#039;t have an accident or get sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter what, there will be high deductibles, and probably no prescription coverage.  Good luck is something we hope for, don&#8217;t have an accident or get sick.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin@OutOfYourRut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin@OutOfYourRut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim thanks for this post.  My wife and I will soon be in this boat as my wife will be losing her job in a couple of months, and she&#039;s bee the one carrying the benefits (I&#039;m a contractor).  

I spent some time selling health insurance, and it&#039;s a real nightmare, especially as you get older or if you have pre-existing conditions.  For some people, there are no options out there! 

You&#039;ve provided excellent advice, thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim thanks for this post.  My wife and I will soon be in this boat as my wife will be losing her job in a couple of months, and she&#8217;s bee the one carrying the benefits (I&#8217;m a contractor).  </p>
<p>I spent some time selling health insurance, and it&#8217;s a real nightmare, especially as you get older or if you have pre-existing conditions.  For some people, there are no options out there! </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve provided excellent advice, thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Samurai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the details and examples Jim.  I&#039;m surprised health care is so cheap!  $174/month for the most, and only $30/month for the cheapest?  That&#039;s awesome!

What is everybody worrying about then?  The cost is a dinner for two at your local chinese restaurant, or fancy steakhouse with win!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the details and examples Jim.  I&#8217;m surprised health care is so cheap!  $174/month for the most, and only $30/month for the cheapest?  That&#8217;s awesome!</p>
<p>What is everybody worrying about then?  The cost is a dinner for two at your local chinese restaurant, or fancy steakhouse with win!</p>
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		<title>By: daemondust</title>
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		<dc:creator>daemondust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>COBRA is a joke.  Last time I looked it would cost greater than 3/4 what my unemployment draw would be, or in many cases MORE than unemployment would cover.  Yes, I realize living exclusively on unemployment, even for a short time, isn&#039;t the way to go, but if you&#039;re just barely scraping by before losing your job, you probably don&#039;t have much of a savings to fall back upon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COBRA is a joke.  Last time I looked it would cost greater than 3/4 what my unemployment draw would be, or in many cases MORE than unemployment would cover.  Yes, I realize living exclusively on unemployment, even for a short time, isn&#8217;t the way to go, but if you&#8217;re just barely scraping by before losing your job, you probably don&#8217;t have much of a savings to fall back upon.</p>
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		<title>By: daemondust</title>
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		<dc:creator>daemondust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in the same boat.  Unless something changes they&#039;ll use that uninsured time as a chance to say it&#039;s a pre-existing condition.  Yes, it can be a valid excuse on their part (though not necessarily in many of the cases they try it), but I wish they could only use it for a certain period of time, say a year from signing up, and have to pay all claims after that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the same boat.  Unless something changes they&#8217;ll use that uninsured time as a chance to say it&#8217;s a pre-existing condition.  Yes, it can be a valid excuse on their part (though not necessarily in many of the cases they try it), but I wish they could only use it for a certain period of time, say a year from signing up, and have to pay all claims after that point.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offense but there is a lot missing here. The first place to start or at least second would be to talk to an agent. They can give you a quick review of all available plans in your area. Every state is different but at least here in NJ, the prices are the same whether you buy the insurance through an agent, the carrier directly or any other avenue. The rates are the rates. Also, there are many situations where there will be no pre-x. Also, we have an individual health pool, where everyone buying individual health insurance is pooled together and your rate is only determined by your sex and age.

I can go on and on, but I just wanted to make the point that you really should speak to an agent! Yes, I am an agent and I&#039;ve seen some of the horrible contracts sold on the internet so I get every worried when people try to figure this stuff out without an expert opinion.

One last thing, don&#039;t forget the ARRA subsidy!!! If you are terminated from your job and lose your insurance, you may be able to continue your coverage and only pay 35% of COBRA premium. 

Good luck everyone and get an agent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense but there is a lot missing here. The first place to start or at least second would be to talk to an agent. They can give you a quick review of all available plans in your area. Every state is different but at least here in NJ, the prices are the same whether you buy the insurance through an agent, the carrier directly or any other avenue. The rates are the rates. Also, there are many situations where there will be no pre-x. Also, we have an individual health pool, where everyone buying individual health insurance is pooled together and your rate is only determined by your sex and age.</p>
<p>I can go on and on, but I just wanted to make the point that you really should speak to an agent! Yes, I am an agent and I&#8217;ve seen some of the horrible contracts sold on the internet so I get every worried when people try to figure this stuff out without an expert opinion.</p>
<p>One last thing, don&#8217;t forget the ARRA subsidy!!! If you are terminated from your job and lose your insurance, you may be able to continue your coverage and only pay 35% of COBRA premium. </p>
<p>Good luck everyone and get an agent!</p>
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