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		<title>By: Savings</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/gambling-is-entertainment-stock-market-investing-is-not.html/comment-page-1#comment-220820</link>
		<dc:creator>Savings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a tax advantage with &quot;gambling&quot;? in stocks, bonds, options, futures.  The IRS forgives you on your &quot;investment&quot;, and allows you to deduct the losses (up to $3,000 per year, carry-forwarding allowed.)  Playing with your money in a casino is not forgiven if you lose it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a tax advantage with &#8220;gambling&#8221;? in stocks, bonds, options, futures.  The IRS forgives you on your &#8220;investment&#8221;, and allows you to deduct the losses (up to $3,000 per year, carry-forwarding allowed.)  Playing with your money in a casino is not forgiven if you lose it.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree!!  I love gambling (too bad I have to fly all the way to Vegas to do it though).  

I tried day trading for a short time; I didn&#039;t lose, but I didn&#039;t gain much either.  I had fun, but when it came time to do my taxes, it was a nightmare!  Plus, oh yeah, if I&#039;d had that money in an index fund that year I would&#039;ve made about 16%.  

I knew what I was doing though, and didn&#039;t actually think I&#039;d beat the markets.  How can any lowly individual investor actually think that?  The information is SO incomplete, and by the time the news and reports trickle down to us (if you read them at all that is), the big players have already acted on them and moved the stock.  

It&#039;s fun, but I agree-you might as well be getting some free drinks out of it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree!!  I love gambling (too bad I have to fly all the way to Vegas to do it though).  </p>
<p>I tried day trading for a short time; I didn&#8217;t lose, but I didn&#8217;t gain much either.  I had fun, but when it came time to do my taxes, it was a nightmare!  Plus, oh yeah, if I&#8217;d had that money in an index fund that year I would&#8217;ve made about 16%.  </p>
<p>I knew what I was doing though, and didn&#8217;t actually think I&#8217;d beat the markets.  How can any lowly individual investor actually think that?  The information is SO incomplete, and by the time the news and reports trickle down to us (if you read them at all that is), the big players have already acted on them and moved the stock.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s fun, but I agree-you might as well be getting some free drinks out of it!</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While there is a certain thrill in owning individual stocks of individual companies -- especially those companies that sport a nice, stable dividend -- in my view, the main reason to own individual stocks of well-run companies over index funds is cost.

Any and all funds will invariably cost more to keep than any given stock. Simply put, the only time a stock costs money is when you go into it or come out of it.

Personally, I rely upon a well-known stock advisory service that aims to beat overall market returns over the next 3 - 5 years, minimum; it&#039;s a &quot;buy-and-school&quot; strategy, actually. Invest in good companies -- not tickers -- and keep tabs on them going forward.

It is unfortunate but sometimes, with index funds, the managers get paid whether the fund does well or not. And even with a modest subscription to a reputable stock advisory service, I&#039;m coming out ahead of the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While there is a certain thrill in owning individual stocks of individual companies &#8212; especially those companies that sport a nice, stable dividend &#8212; in my view, the main reason to own individual stocks of well-run companies over index funds is cost.</p>
<p>Any and all funds will invariably cost more to keep than any given stock. Simply put, the only time a stock costs money is when you go into it or come out of it.</p>
<p>Personally, I rely upon a well-known stock advisory service that aims to beat overall market returns over the next 3 &#8211; 5 years, minimum; it&#8217;s a &#8220;buy-and-school&#8221; strategy, actually. Invest in good companies &#8212; not tickers &#8212; and keep tabs on them going forward.</p>
<p>It is unfortunate but sometimes, with index funds, the managers get paid whether the fund does well or not. And even with a modest subscription to a reputable stock advisory service, I&#8217;m coming out ahead of the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, I agree for the most part. I love throwing cards, and casinos can be a lot of fun. As for stocks and other investments, I believe they should be for investing, not gambling.

However, if you are disciplined enough to take a very small portion of your portfolio for use as &quot;mad money,&quot; and use &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; that small amount, then it is the same thing as playing cards. The danger comes when you start mixing business and pleasure. Leave investment and retirement money in investment/retirement funds.

But use your play money for play money - casinos, stocks, horses, gadgets and gizmos... As long as you are responsible and draw the line, then it is really no different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I agree for the most part. I love throwing cards, and casinos can be a lot of fun. As for stocks and other investments, I believe they should be for investing, not gambling.</p>
<p>However, if you are disciplined enough to take a very small portion of your portfolio for use as &#8220;mad money,&#8221; and use <i>only</i> that small amount, then it is the same thing as playing cards. The danger comes when you start mixing business and pleasure. Leave investment and retirement money in investment/retirement funds.</p>
<p>But use your play money for play money &#8211; casinos, stocks, horses, gadgets and gizmos&#8230; As long as you are responsible and draw the line, then it is really no different.</p>
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		<title>By: Adfecto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adfecto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one can afford to gamble with retirement.  Index funds and diversification are the only way Main Street USA should invest.

On another note, the casinos always win.  Try poker instead.  You are playing against the player and not against the House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one can afford to gamble with retirement.  Index funds and diversification are the only way Main Street USA should invest.</p>
<p>On another note, the casinos always win.  Try poker instead.  You are playing against the player and not against the House.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I worked in the Futures Industry, many of the traders in my office were also compulsive gamblers. I found it interesting that there was such a blatant relationship between the two...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I worked in the Futures Industry, many of the traders in my office were also compulsive gamblers. I found it interesting that there was such a blatant relationship between the two&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a lot of the attraction is that with gambling, instinctively you KNOW that  the odds are against you.  On the other hand, with investing, there is a sense of &quot;if I study enough, and am smart enough I can BEAT the system.&quot;  This may or may not be true and for the most part isn&#039;t because all the other day traders are trying to do the same thing...but at least the possibility is there of having &quot;better&quot; odds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of the attraction is that with gambling, instinctively you KNOW that  the odds are against you.  On the other hand, with investing, there is a sense of &#8220;if I study enough, and am smart enough I can BEAT the system.&#8221;  This may or may not be true and for the most part isn&#8217;t because all the other day traders are trying to do the same thing&#8230;but at least the possibility is there of having &#8220;better&#8221; odds.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me casinos are meant to be enjoyed - the markets are there to make me money. There is no room for random guessing unless its casino style money - fit to be lost. 

Great post - keep the gambling in the casinos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me casinos are meant to be enjoyed &#8211; the markets are there to make me money. There is no room for random guessing unless its casino style money &#8211; fit to be lost. </p>
<p>Great post &#8211; keep the gambling in the casinos.</p>
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