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		<title>By: Damon Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damon Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people that are in bad enough shape to contemplate a settlement process, are insolvent.  ie. their liabilities outweigh their assets.  IRS publication 908 explains the insolvency rule.  

How it applies to debt settlement is: when you add up all of your liabilities (credit card debt, neg equity on home, car loan etc) and all of your assets (bank accounts, investments, positive equity on home etc), if you owe for example, 50K more than your assets add up to, then you have a 50K negative net worth and are insolvent by that amount. 

If you owe 50K on credit cards and 25K is forgiven, you will not be liable for tax on the 25K that is forgiven because you are insolvent by 50K.  So you could have up to 50K of debt forgiven before a tax liability kicked in.  (Note- as the debt is forgiven it reduces your liabilities and therefore the total amount that you are insolvent by.)

DISCLAIMER - this is a simplified example and doesn&#039;t take numerous factors into account.  I am not a tax attorney and cannot give tax advice.  Make sure to consult with a tax professional to determine what, if any tax liability you may have in your specific situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people that are in bad enough shape to contemplate a settlement process, are insolvent.  ie. their liabilities outweigh their assets.  IRS publication 908 explains the insolvency rule.  </p>
<p>How it applies to debt settlement is: when you add up all of your liabilities (credit card debt, neg equity on home, car loan etc) and all of your assets (bank accounts, investments, positive equity on home etc), if you owe for example, 50K more than your assets add up to, then you have a 50K negative net worth and are insolvent by that amount. </p>
<p>If you owe 50K on credit cards and 25K is forgiven, you will not be liable for tax on the 25K that is forgiven because you are insolvent by 50K.  So you could have up to 50K of debt forgiven before a tax liability kicked in.  (Note- as the debt is forgiven it reduces your liabilities and therefore the total amount that you are insolvent by.)</p>
<p>DISCLAIMER &#8211; this is a simplified example and doesn&#8217;t take numerous factors into account.  I am not a tax attorney and cannot give tax advice.  Make sure to consult with a tax professional to determine what, if any tax liability you may have in your specific situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Damon Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damon Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Kevin, 

The reality is that for most settlement companies the success rate is less than 20%.  And a lot of the really bad ones, the success rates can be down in the 1 to 2% range, seriously.  

A few months back their was a scam outfit out of Florida, that was shut down.  When their books were opened up,it was revealed that only about 400 clients out of about 40,000 actually completed the program.  That wasn&#039;t a misprint, only about 1%.

You really need to do your homework before signing up with a settlement program, especially the ones that want all their fees up front.  Those usually have the highest dropout rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kevin, </p>
<p>The reality is that for most settlement companies the success rate is less than 20%.  And a lot of the really bad ones, the success rates can be down in the 1 to 2% range, seriously.  </p>
<p>A few months back their was a scam outfit out of Florida, that was shut down.  When their books were opened up,it was revealed that only about 400 clients out of about 40,000 actually completed the program.  That wasn&#8217;t a misprint, only about 1%.</p>
<p>You really need to do your homework before signing up with a settlement program, especially the ones that want all their fees up front.  Those usually have the highest dropout rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 04:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so thankful for all of the information posted here. I am currently revieweing the paperwork with a local CCC Service, there are only two in my state, NH, I was told the Money Management International co was under the same &#039;umbrella&#039; and I am waiting to do a phone session my application is received. In the preliminary paperwork including the auth to obtain a creidt report there is no mention of the actual cost for their services. This concerns me. I have roughly 7 K in creditg card debt and a car I would like to keep.I am employed, but not able to make my payments after job elimination I was  moved ot a position with no OT, and have lost nearly 500 a month and I make only 28k .... I am the idiot and part of the problem and feel constant anxiety, shame and a huge loss of self esteem...
I have considered liquidating my measly 401k, I will not be allowed ot contribute again at work but I may be able to obtain 3k to at least send everyone 250 bucks. I feel like a 38 yr old LOSER. I have noone help resources etc and no kids as exuses for my spending ecisions I made based oin OT earnings. IDIOT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so thankful for all of the information posted here. I am currently revieweing the paperwork with a local CCC Service, there are only two in my state, NH, I was told the Money Management International co was under the same &#8216;umbrella&#8217; and I am waiting to do a phone session my application is received. In the preliminary paperwork including the auth to obtain a creidt report there is no mention of the actual cost for their services. This concerns me. I have roughly 7 K in creditg card debt and a car I would like to keep.I am employed, but not able to make my payments after job elimination I was  moved ot a position with no OT, and have lost nearly 500 a month and I make only 28k &#8230;. I am the idiot and part of the problem and feel constant anxiety, shame and a huge loss of self esteem&#8230;<br />
I have considered liquidating my measly 401k, I will not be allowed ot contribute again at work but I may be able to obtain 3k to at least send everyone 250 bucks. I feel like a 38 yr old LOSER. I have noone help resources etc and no kids as exuses for my spending ecisions I made based oin OT earnings. IDIOT</p>
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		<title>By: janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so  much for looking into this, I emailed you regarding these programs and your research was much needed, as I wish I had knew more about them before I signed up.

I figured it was either enter a DMP or file for bankruptcy, now I wish I would have filed.
Thanks Again for the articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so  much for looking into this, I emailed you regarding these programs and your research was much needed, as I wish I had knew more about them before I signed up.</p>
<p>I figured it was either enter a DMP or file for bankruptcy, now I wish I would have filed.<br />
Thanks Again for the articles.</p>
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		<title>By: reggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>reggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 06:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good points</description>
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		<title>By: Damon Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damon Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Momo,

I am not commenting on whether or not 25% of savings is to high or to low.  In my opinion it is high, but just to run the numbers.  For someone in the right situation to where debt settlement is the best option to avoid BK.  Lets say they owe 50K.  

What many people forget to tell consumers is that the balances will inflate while saving the money to pay the settlements.  So lets say that the 50k goes to 60K.

If they can settle that for 50% or 30K and the company charges 25% of savings, that would be 25% of 30K (7500).  So that would be a total payback of $37500 over say 2 years.  

To answer whether or not it is worth it, that depends on each individual.  Remember if you owe 50K on credit cards, you don&#039;t actually owe 50K.  If you are making min payments of $1250, then you actually owe the future value of $1250 payments over however many months it will take you to pay off.  So you will probably end up paying more like 100K if you just kept making payments, and it may take you 5 or 10 years (again depending on your payments and your interest rates).  

So yes, settlement does make sense for Certain people in Certain situations.  In the example above even with a high fee like 25% of savings the client is probably saving more like 62,000 and shaving many years off of the debt.  So you can&#039;t look at it like you owed 50K and paid back 37500 so you only saved 12500.

Again not arguing the merits and saying you should settle your debts.  But if you don&#039;t have the money to do a debt roll up (snowball) or you can&#039;t afford the payments with consumer credit counseling, and you can&#039;t qualify for Ch. 7 or don&#039;t want to file BK, then settlement is something to look at as a potential option.

Last, there is no rule that you do have to hire a company to do it for you.  This is a personal preference, some people just go for it, also there are programs available for much less money that teach consumers to do this themselves.  The important thing is to research all options before doing anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Momo,</p>
<p>I am not commenting on whether or not 25% of savings is to high or to low.  In my opinion it is high, but just to run the numbers.  For someone in the right situation to where debt settlement is the best option to avoid BK.  Lets say they owe 50K.  </p>
<p>What many people forget to tell consumers is that the balances will inflate while saving the money to pay the settlements.  So lets say that the 50k goes to 60K.</p>
<p>If they can settle that for 50% or 30K and the company charges 25% of savings, that would be 25% of 30K (7500).  So that would be a total payback of $37500 over say 2 years.  </p>
<p>To answer whether or not it is worth it, that depends on each individual.  Remember if you owe 50K on credit cards, you don&#8217;t actually owe 50K.  If you are making min payments of $1250, then you actually owe the future value of $1250 payments over however many months it will take you to pay off.  So you will probably end up paying more like 100K if you just kept making payments, and it may take you 5 or 10 years (again depending on your payments and your interest rates).  </p>
<p>So yes, settlement does make sense for Certain people in Certain situations.  In the example above even with a high fee like 25% of savings the client is probably saving more like 62,000 and shaving many years off of the debt.  So you can&#8217;t look at it like you owed 50K and paid back 37500 so you only saved 12500.</p>
<p>Again not arguing the merits and saying you should settle your debts.  But if you don&#8217;t have the money to do a debt roll up (snowball) or you can&#8217;t afford the payments with consumer credit counseling, and you can&#8217;t qualify for Ch. 7 or don&#8217;t want to file BK, then settlement is something to look at as a potential option.</p>
<p>Last, there is no rule that you do have to hire a company to do it for you.  This is a personal preference, some people just go for it, also there are programs available for much less money that teach consumers to do this themselves.  The important thing is to research all options before doing anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Momo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Momo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just saw an ad on TV for a debt settlement company. Part of the voiceover said, &quot;Don&#039;t ruin your credit report with bankruptcy!&quot; They made it sound like settling your debt wasn&#039;t going to affect your report negatively. This screams &quot;SCAM&quot; to me. 

BTW, if the settlement company takes 25% of the savings, then if you even get 50% off, in the end it&#039;s only 25%. Is it really even worth it to bother with these companies? It seems like everyone wants a piece of the pie of a person who is already drowning. Talk about offering a lifesaver to a drowning man but demanding payment first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just saw an ad on TV for a debt settlement company. Part of the voiceover said, &#8220;Don&#8217;t ruin your credit report with bankruptcy!&#8221; They made it sound like settling your debt wasn&#8217;t going to affect your report negatively. This screams &#8220;SCAM&#8221; to me. </p>
<p>BTW, if the settlement company takes 25% of the savings, then if you even get 50% off, in the end it&#8217;s only 25%. Is it really even worth it to bother with these companies? It seems like everyone wants a piece of the pie of a person who is already drowning. Talk about offering a lifesaver to a drowning man but demanding payment first.</p>
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		<title>By: Karachi Fun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karachi Fun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right now a lot of companies are running pretty convincing ads, and if your back is up against the wall, you’ll be tempted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now a lot of companies are running pretty convincing ads, and if your back is up against the wall, you’ll be tempted.</p>
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		<title>By: jillianlou</title>
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		<dc:creator>jillianlou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They only send you a 1099 if it&#039;s over $600. But TECHNICALLY you are supposed to report it whether you receive a 1099 or not...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They only send you a 1099 if it&#8217;s over $600. But TECHNICALLY you are supposed to report it whether you receive a 1099 or not&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MB1</title>
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		<dc:creator>MB1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree Kevin. Many of these ads aren&#039;t even coming from debt settlement companies, they are merely referral services which will then take the leads and sell them to a settlement company which may or may not be offering what the ad promises. &quot;Buyer Beware&quot; certainly holds true here, and the key for people with debt problems is to do their research and select a company that has a proven track record of responsible debt settlement practices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree Kevin. Many of these ads aren&#8217;t even coming from debt settlement companies, they are merely referral services which will then take the leads and sell them to a settlement company which may or may not be offering what the ad promises. &#8220;Buyer Beware&#8221; certainly holds true here, and the key for people with debt problems is to do their research and select a company that has a proven track record of responsible debt settlement practices.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin at OutOfYourRut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin at OutOfYourRut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MB1--That&#039;s a good point, there are some good debt settlement companies out there.  Earlier in the thread I listed CCCS as another example.

The problem is that when people are deep in debt, and the collectors are calling and threatening, they look for any port in a storm.  Right now a lot of companies are running pretty convincing ads, and if your back is up against the wall, you&#039;ll be tempted.  

If the situation is stressful enough, researching for trusted companies often goes out the window in favor of a compelling ad campaign that looks for all the world to be exactly what you need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MB1&#8211;That&#8217;s a good point, there are some good debt settlement companies out there.  Earlier in the thread I listed CCCS as another example.</p>
<p>The problem is that when people are deep in debt, and the collectors are calling and threatening, they look for any port in a storm.  Right now a lot of companies are running pretty convincing ads, and if your back is up against the wall, you&#8217;ll be tempted.  </p>
<p>If the situation is stressful enough, researching for trusted companies often goes out the window in favor of a compelling ad campaign that looks for all the world to be exactly what you need.</p>
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		<title>By: MB1</title>
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		<dc:creator>MB1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even with all the fraudulent companies giving the entire debt settlement industry a bad name, there are a few responsible companies out there that actually have thier clients best interest at heart. I recently did some consulting work for DMB Financial in Boston, and they are one such company. DMB -- one of only 22 TASC accredited debt settlement companies in the US -- is performance based, meaning that they make nothing until they have actually settled a debt (they take 25% of the savings amount). I also found that the company strives to educate clients and callers about the pros and cons of debt settlement at every opportunity, and frequently offer callers advice on how to help themselves out of their debt problems. For many facing possible bankruptcy, debt settlement companies such as DMB have proven to be a beneficial solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even with all the fraudulent companies giving the entire debt settlement industry a bad name, there are a few responsible companies out there that actually have thier clients best interest at heart. I recently did some consulting work for DMB Financial in Boston, and they are one such company. DMB &#8212; one of only 22 TASC accredited debt settlement companies in the US &#8212; is performance based, meaning that they make nothing until they have actually settled a debt (they take 25% of the savings amount). I also found that the company strives to educate clients and callers about the pros and cons of debt settlement at every opportunity, and frequently offer callers advice on how to help themselves out of their debt problems. For many facing possible bankruptcy, debt settlement companies such as DMB have proven to be a beneficial solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Damon Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damon Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most debt settlement companies do charge clients more than they really need to.  However the main problem lies when you hire a company that is not only charging you a lot, but wants you to pay most or all of their fees upfront.  

Not only does this put the client in a liability situation with no incentive left for the company to do a good job, but even more crucial is that it prevents the client from settling with any creditors within a reasonable time frame.  With certain creditors, some of the best settlement deals that you can get are actually with the original creditor.  If a client is spending 10 months to a year paying a settlement company its fees, then some of those good deals are long gone before the client can even get a settlement.

If you are in a situation where you need settlement and you do not want to go at it alone, make sure that you research many companies and hire one that is performance based and charges fees based on what they save you in the end, not up front based on your total debt.  

Because of the very high drop out rate in the settlement industry most companies want all the money up front.  That is a huge red flag in my opinion.  Companies that charge their fees on the back end are hard to find, but if you do a lot of digging you can find them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most debt settlement companies do charge clients more than they really need to.  However the main problem lies when you hire a company that is not only charging you a lot, but wants you to pay most or all of their fees upfront.  </p>
<p>Not only does this put the client in a liability situation with no incentive left for the company to do a good job, but even more crucial is that it prevents the client from settling with any creditors within a reasonable time frame.  With certain creditors, some of the best settlement deals that you can get are actually with the original creditor.  If a client is spending 10 months to a year paying a settlement company its fees, then some of those good deals are long gone before the client can even get a settlement.</p>
<p>If you are in a situation where you need settlement and you do not want to go at it alone, make sure that you research many companies and hire one that is performance based and charges fees based on what they save you in the end, not up front based on your total debt.  </p>
<p>Because of the very high drop out rate in the settlement industry most companies want all the money up front.  That is a huge red flag in my opinion.  Companies that charge their fees on the back end are hard to find, but if you do a lot of digging you can find them.</p>
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		<title>By: MC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There could be a way out of claiming that on your taxes if you can prove you were insolvent before the settlement was finalized.  If you choose to do that, you will need to request a form 982 from the IRS (and instructions).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There could be a way out of claiming that on your taxes if you can prove you were insolvent before the settlement was finalized.  If you choose to do that, you will need to request a form 982 from the IRS (and instructions).</p>
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		<title>By: MC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a tax implication, but it only applies to anything OVER $600...  You will receive a 1099 form for anything forgiven over that amount and you have to report it on taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a tax implication, but it only applies to anything OVER $600&#8230;  You will receive a 1099 form for anything forgiven over that amount and you have to report it on taxes.</p>
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