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		<title>By: M Amer</title>
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		<dc:creator>M Amer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For 17 to 50 dollars per month. Something is better than nothing.  Being cheap sometimes doesn&#039;t pay!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For 17 to 50 dollars per month. Something is better than nothing.  Being cheap sometimes doesn&#8217;t pay!</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Shock!</description>
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		<title>By: Shock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 03:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you can pay annually. It&#039;s the cheapest way to pay. I pay annually for my 30 term life insurance. Paying quarterly or monthly costs more at the end of the year. I&#039;m like Jim, I didn&#039;t need life insurance when I was single because no one is counting on my income if I die. Now that I&#039;m married and have a kid on the way, It was time for life insurance. My financial advisor found the best coverage for the money. We had the medical exams at our home on our schedule. The process was painless (pun intended).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you can pay annually. It&#8217;s the cheapest way to pay. I pay annually for my 30 term life insurance. Paying quarterly or monthly costs more at the end of the year. I&#8217;m like Jim, I didn&#8217;t need life insurance when I was single because no one is counting on my income if I die. Now that I&#8217;m married and have a kid on the way, It was time for life insurance. My financial advisor found the best coverage for the money. We had the medical exams at our home on our schedule. The process was painless (pun intended).</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question - say the term life policy is $30.00 a month.  Do most companies have you pay monthly, or just pay one large sum at the beginning of the year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question &#8211; say the term life policy is $30.00 a month.  Do most companies have you pay monthly, or just pay one large sum at the beginning of the year?</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if it is portable, it will more than likely be at a rating of &quot;Standard&quot; or higher.  The reason for this is because the insurance was guaranteed issue, the company knows that a percentage of those people accepting the offer to buy additional insurance will be high risk, or be medically unable to qualify for a privately owned policy.  These additional costs to the insurance company are absorbed by the healthy clients paying the high premiums.

Some policies offered on a group basis (through an employer) are portable, but they HAVE to be converted to one of those horrible, nasty, &quot;nobody ever wants it&quot; Cash Value policies.

Check all of the portability clauses on group insurance before deciding that this is the only insurance you plan on carrying for your family.  

One of the reasons I recommend that people talk with a local INDEPENDENT agent or financial planner about insurance.  Aside from being greedy scumbags concerned only with commission, they also know how to calculate needs, and have access to the exact same quotes that are available on the internet (Selectquote, Netquote, etc.).  I recommend that the consumer use these resources to have an idea about what a policy will cost before going to see a local agent.  Keep in mind that the quotes from the internet are more than likely going to use the best possible rating, so they may seem cheaper, but the agent will ask some underwriting questions that will give him/her a better idea of what rating will actually be issued by the insurance company.

As far as the Dave Ramsey&#039;s/Susie Orman&#039;s of the world.  They have good things to say for the most part, but they are entertainers first and foremost.  Anytime some speaks in extremes (never buy whole life) you should take what they are saying with a grain of salt.  The same goes for financial advisers that speak in extremes (always buy Whole Life).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if it is portable, it will more than likely be at a rating of &#8220;Standard&#8221; or higher.  The reason for this is because the insurance was guaranteed issue, the company knows that a percentage of those people accepting the offer to buy additional insurance will be high risk, or be medically unable to qualify for a privately owned policy.  These additional costs to the insurance company are absorbed by the healthy clients paying the high premiums.</p>
<p>Some policies offered on a group basis (through an employer) are portable, but they HAVE to be converted to one of those horrible, nasty, &#8220;nobody ever wants it&#8221; Cash Value policies.</p>
<p>Check all of the portability clauses on group insurance before deciding that this is the only insurance you plan on carrying for your family.  </p>
<p>One of the reasons I recommend that people talk with a local INDEPENDENT agent or financial planner about insurance.  Aside from being greedy scumbags concerned only with commission, they also know how to calculate needs, and have access to the exact same quotes that are available on the internet (Selectquote, Netquote, etc.).  I recommend that the consumer use these resources to have an idea about what a policy will cost before going to see a local agent.  Keep in mind that the quotes from the internet are more than likely going to use the best possible rating, so they may seem cheaper, but the agent will ask some underwriting questions that will give him/her a better idea of what rating will actually be issued by the insurance company.</p>
<p>As far as the Dave Ramsey&#8217;s/Susie Orman&#8217;s of the world.  They have good things to say for the most part, but they are entertainers first and foremost.  Anytime some speaks in extremes (never buy whole life) you should take what they are saying with a grain of salt.  The same goes for financial advisers that speak in extremes (always buy Whole Life).</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 13:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a quick comment on life insurance:  look into fraternal insurance organizations like the Knights of Columbus, Modern Woodmen of America, etc.  Some have membership requirements (&quot;be a Catholic in good standing&quot; for KOC) or are open to the general publi.  

Often these are rated at the top of the industry, rates are good, and returns are a bit higher.  They tend to be more conservative in outlook, and don&#039;t offer a lot of gimmicky products.

They are like the &quot;credit unions&quot; of the life insurance industry.  They are only accountable to their memberships, not outside investors.

Dividends that they offer can be used to pay down premiums, often after just a couple of years.  One upside of more expensive &quot;whole life&quot; style policies with fraternal insurance companies is that the dividends soon outweight the premiums, and can shift your insurance cost to $0 for a growing asset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick comment on life insurance:  look into fraternal insurance organizations like the Knights of Columbus, Modern Woodmen of America, etc.  Some have membership requirements (&#8221;be a Catholic in good standing&#8221; for KOC) or are open to the general publi.  </p>
<p>Often these are rated at the top of the industry, rates are good, and returns are a bit higher.  They tend to be more conservative in outlook, and don&#8217;t offer a lot of gimmicky products.</p>
<p>They are like the &#8220;credit unions&#8221; of the life insurance industry.  They are only accountable to their memberships, not outside investors.</p>
<p>Dividends that they offer can be used to pay down premiums, often after just a couple of years.  One upside of more expensive &#8220;whole life&#8221; style policies with fraternal insurance companies is that the dividends soon outweight the premiums, and can shift your insurance cost to $0 for a growing asset.</p>
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		<title>By: DDFD at DivorcedDadFrugalDad</title>
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		<dc:creator>DDFD at DivorcedDadFrugalDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 00:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ian

Not geared entirely to you, I have read others saying the same thing.  

Two things to consider:

1) You mention that you don&#039;t &quot;need&quot; life insurance-- you&#039;re right you don&#039;t need it-- your family does.  If you didn&#039;t come home alive tonight-- could your family use say $250,000 tax free if you aren&#039;t alive?

2)  Are you a gambling man?  You are assuming that you will remain insurable a few years from now?  What if you are not insurable in a few years?</description>
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<p>Not geared entirely to you, I have read others saying the same thing.  </p>
<p>Two things to consider:</p>
<p>1) You mention that you don&#8217;t &#8220;need&#8221; life insurance&#8211; you&#8217;re right you don&#8217;t need it&#8211; your family does.  If you didn&#8217;t come home alive tonight&#8211; could your family use say $250,000 tax free if you aren&#8217;t alive?</p>
<p>2)  Are you a gambling man?  You are assuming that you will remain insurable a few years from now?  What if you are not insurable in a few years?</p>
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		<title>By: centsiblelife</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 17:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, great post.
If you qualify look at USAA, they have great service and prices.

We used Accuquote for my hubby since USAA seemed pricey.We saved $20/month that way.

You can usually save by having it auto deducted from a checking account or credit card (good way to keep your credit card active).

You should consider buying before you are 30 even if the kiddos haven&#039;t arrived yet, your cost goes up at age 30.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, great post.<br />
If you qualify look at USAA, they have great service and prices.</p>
<p>We used Accuquote for my hubby since USAA seemed pricey.We saved $20/month that way.</p>
<p>You can usually save by having it auto deducted from a checking account or credit card (good way to keep your credit card active).</p>
<p>You should consider buying before you are 30 even if the kiddos haven&#8217;t arrived yet, your cost goes up at age 30.</p>
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		<title>By: Kosmo @ The Casual Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kosmo @ The Casual Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We see eye to eye on term vs. other forms.  My wife was concerned about the fact that term lapses after a period.  I pointed out that it is intended as income replacement, and that our policy (50 year term) would lapse around age 80.  I really hope that I&#039;m not working very hard at that age.  

If I were you, I&#039;d bite the bullet and get the insurance NOW intead of waiting a year or two.  You might get hit by a bus next week.

The medical part really isn&#039;t that bad.  We have Northwestern Mutual, and they send a nurse to your house at a time that is convenient to you.  Even nights and weekends.  Blood draw, urine sample, blood pressure, and a chat about family medical history.

I&#039;d also recommend periodically reviewing the amount of coverage as your life changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We see eye to eye on term vs. other forms.  My wife was concerned about the fact that term lapses after a period.  I pointed out that it is intended as income replacement, and that our policy (50 year term) would lapse around age 80.  I really hope that I&#8217;m not working very hard at that age.  </p>
<p>If I were you, I&#8217;d bite the bullet and get the insurance NOW intead of waiting a year or two.  You might get hit by a bus next week.</p>
<p>The medical part really isn&#8217;t that bad.  We have Northwestern Mutual, and they send a nurse to your house at a time that is convenient to you.  Even nights and weekends.  Blood draw, urine sample, blood pressure, and a chat about family medical history.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also recommend periodically reviewing the amount of coverage as your life changes.</p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DDFD said: &quot;The best time to buy is today&quot;

I don&#039;t need the benefits of life insurance coverage for several years (read ~5).  Does it make sense to pay for it now anyway?
What do you do when the policy ends earlier (because you bought early) and you are still alive, do you purchase again at an even higher rate?

I am in the same boat as Jim (28, married, no kids) and not planning on buying life insurance yet.  Does it make any sense at all to wait?  Converting this to a math problem: The cost over the next 5 years of insurance i don&#039;t need (~$3k) vs. the additional cost if i buy a policy 5 years from now ($??)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DDFD said: &#8220;The best time to buy is today&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need the benefits of life insurance coverage for several years (read ~5).  Does it make sense to pay for it now anyway?<br />
What do you do when the policy ends earlier (because you bought early) and you are still alive, do you purchase again at an even higher rate?</p>
<p>I am in the same boat as Jim (28, married, no kids) and not planning on buying life insurance yet.  Does it make any sense at all to wait?  Converting this to a math problem: The cost over the next 5 years of insurance i don&#8217;t need (~$3k) vs. the additional cost if i buy a policy 5 years from now ($??)</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 14:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes you can lose money in your investments and that would make ROP policies a better safe investment. There aren&#039;t any guaranteed 8% returns and it seems unlikely there will be in the near future, unless we start seeing runaway inflation, in which case 8% won&#039;t be that great anyway.

But you need to know these numbers so you can make decisions. I don&#039;t think 8% annualized growth over 30 years is unreasonable, especially when you believe the market is in a depressed state right now. If the numbers said you needed 20% annualized growth over 30 years to breakeven, then you know clearly what the right answer is. 8% isn&#039;t outlandish, but 20% probably is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes you can lose money in your investments and that would make ROP policies a better safe investment. There aren&#8217;t any guaranteed 8% returns and it seems unlikely there will be in the near future, unless we start seeing runaway inflation, in which case 8% won&#8217;t be that great anyway.</p>
<p>But you need to know these numbers so you can make decisions. I don&#8217;t think 8% annualized growth over 30 years is unreasonable, especially when you believe the market is in a depressed state right now. If the numbers said you needed 20% annualized growth over 30 years to breakeven, then you know clearly what the right answer is. 8% isn&#8217;t outlandish, but 20% probably is.</p>
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		<title>By: TJ Shah</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJ Shah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 14:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

I tend to disagree with your quotes &quot;While appealing, would I be better served taking the $34 difference in premiums a month ($76 - $42, TransAmerica) and investing it? After 30 years, assuming 8% annual growth and $408 in annual contributions, the investment would yield over $46,200. Cut away 25% for Uncle Sam, and you end up with $34,650, which puts you ahead of the premium life insurance plan and you retain control of your money.&quot;

Although theoretically if your investment earns 8% annual growth you would come out ahead but you can also make losses with your investment and not see the money at all. wouldn&#039;t ROP policies a better safe investement. Besides where do you get a guaranteed 8% returns these days. I would like to know if there is such an investment.

TJ Shah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>I tend to disagree with your quotes &#8220;While appealing, would I be better served taking the $34 difference in premiums a month ($76 &#8211; $42, TransAmerica) and investing it? After 30 years, assuming 8% annual growth and $408 in annual contributions, the investment would yield over $46,200. Cut away 25% for Uncle Sam, and you end up with $34,650, which puts you ahead of the premium life insurance plan and you retain control of your money.&#8221;</p>
<p>Although theoretically if your investment earns 8% annual growth you would come out ahead but you can also make losses with your investment and not see the money at all. wouldn&#8217;t ROP policies a better safe investement. Besides where do you get a guaranteed 8% returns these days. I would like to know if there is such an investment.</p>
<p>TJ Shah</p>
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		<title>By: labelcd6</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 13:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article.  I&#039;m pretty much in that same boat that you are as far as not needing life insurance at the moment.  I&#039;m 99.9% sure that I&#039;ll be getting $500,000, 30 year, term life insurance when the time comes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article.  I&#8217;m pretty much in that same boat that you are as far as not needing life insurance at the moment.  I&#8217;m 99.9% sure that I&#8217;ll be getting $500,000, 30 year, term life insurance when the time comes.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 13:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had term life for 4 years, then I recently converted to whole life. It&#039;s nice to know that I could use that investment money later on down the line as collateral and my premiums are fixed for life. It&#039;s a small plan of $150k and I think it&#039;s a good start. I like the idea of whole life insurance. If I saved $XX on my monthly premium by having term, could I invest the rest (like many people say)? Sure I &#039;could&#039; but I won&#039;t... just like most people. This thought did come to mind though when I converted to whole life, so I immediately setup an automatic savings plan with Capital One Direct while it was fresh on my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had term life for 4 years, then I recently converted to whole life. It&#8217;s nice to know that I could use that investment money later on down the line as collateral and my premiums are fixed for life. It&#8217;s a small plan of $150k and I think it&#8217;s a good start. I like the idea of whole life insurance. If I saved $XX on my monthly premium by having term, could I invest the rest (like many people say)? Sure I &#8216;could&#8217; but I won&#8217;t&#8230; just like most people. This thought did come to mind though when I converted to whole life, so I immediately setup an automatic savings plan with Capital One Direct while it was fresh on my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 12:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve decided not to get life insurance for now, so no application process planned.</description>
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