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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started an investment club about a year ago so I can give some &quot;insight&quot;

Depending on how you want to structure it, it takes a lot of paperwork.

You need agreements, by-laws, and code of ethics at the least. 

You might also want to register the club as a partnership for tax purposes.

you probably need a business bank account as well.

I opened a discount broker account with questrade in canada.

We have a initial fee of $150 and than monthly $40 fee. all the money goes to either bank or broker account and broker account and we make investment decisions. 

it takes some time to get it organized, some members drop out and others want to join and not everyone will be doing the required work. 
Its fun and time consuming, so far we have losses 2008 was probably not best time to start but lets hope things will change soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started an investment club about a year ago so I can give some &#8220;insight&#8221;</p>
<p>Depending on how you want to structure it, it takes a lot of paperwork.</p>
<p>You need agreements, by-laws, and code of ethics at the least. </p>
<p>You might also want to register the club as a partnership for tax purposes.</p>
<p>you probably need a business bank account as well.</p>
<p>I opened a discount broker account with questrade in canada.</p>
<p>We have a initial fee of $150 and than monthly $40 fee. all the money goes to either bank or broker account and broker account and we make investment decisions. </p>
<p>it takes some time to get it organized, some members drop out and others want to join and not everyone will be doing the required work.<br />
Its fun and time consuming, so far we have losses 2008 was probably not best time to start but lets hope things will change soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow thanks Tess! Thank you for leaving these links, I remember the Fairfax story because my wife&#039;s family lives one town over (Reston).

It&#039;s probably not been much fun, given the market, and even less so these days... but at least there&#039;s still friendship right? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow thanks Tess! Thank you for leaving these links, I remember the Fairfax story because my wife&#8217;s family lives one town over (Reston).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably not been much fun, given the market, and even less so these days&#8230; but at least there&#8217;s still friendship right? <img src='http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: HosTess</title>
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		<dc:creator>HosTess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim! Since you&#039;ve added so much to our show, I thought I&#039;d contribute to your effort here. I did a whole year-long series of stories following three different investment clubs. Of course it was waaaaaay back in &#039;07 when people actually MADE MONEY (!) in the stock market. But I think it&#039;s still interesting, nevertheless, to hear how different clubs work. Here&#039;s the website with all of our stories: http://marketplace.publicradio.org/projects/project_display.php?proj_identifier=2007/05/09/investment_clubs
The ladies of the Virginia club were, I think, the most fascinating in terms of their learning process. I talked with them last December (&#039;08) and was not surprised to learn that they&#039;re not having quite as much fun these days. Best, Tess Vigeland</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim! Since you&#8217;ve added so much to our show, I thought I&#8217;d contribute to your effort here. I did a whole year-long series of stories following three different investment clubs. Of course it was waaaaaay back in &#8216;07 when people actually MADE MONEY (!) in the stock market. But I think it&#8217;s still interesting, nevertheless, to hear how different clubs work. Here&#8217;s the website with all of our stories: <a href="http://marketplace.publicradio.org/projects/project_display.php?proj_identifier=2007/05/09/investment_clubs" rel="nofollow">http://marketplace.publicradio.org/projects/project_display.php?proj_identifier=2007/05/09/investment_clubs</a><br />
The ladies of the Virginia club were, I think, the most fascinating in terms of their learning process. I talked with them last December (&#8217;08) and was not surprised to learn that they&#8217;re not having quite as much fun these days. Best, Tess Vigeland</p>
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		<title>By: Jay (marketfolly)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay (marketfolly)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think another main point is making sure every single person in the club has the same risk tolerance, investment goals/timeframe, investment style, etc.  Otherwise, you could end up with people unhappy with the investments.

i.e. value investors should stick together, growth-at-a-reasonable price investors should stick together, modern portfolio theory asset allocators stick together.

apply the same methodology to risk tolerance: high, medium, low.

So many things can affect what a collective group invests in and it can get tricky with tons of people, so you want to make sure you&#039;re all on the same page.  (25 yr olds should probably not be in a club with 80 yr olds due to equity vs fixed income debate, investment timeframe, and stuff like that)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think another main point is making sure every single person in the club has the same risk tolerance, investment goals/timeframe, investment style, etc.  Otherwise, you could end up with people unhappy with the investments.</p>
<p>i.e. value investors should stick together, growth-at-a-reasonable price investors should stick together, modern portfolio theory asset allocators stick together.</p>
<p>apply the same methodology to risk tolerance: high, medium, low.</p>
<p>So many things can affect what a collective group invests in and it can get tricky with tons of people, so you want to make sure you&#8217;re all on the same page.  (25 yr olds should probably not be in a club with 80 yr olds due to equity vs fixed income debate, investment timeframe, and stuff like that)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 05:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think starting an investment club is a great idea.
The &#039;experts&#039; don&#039;t always have the answers and a club is a great idea for people to get proactive with their finances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think starting an investment club is a great idea.<br />
The &#8216;experts&#8217; don&#8217;t always have the answers and a club is a great idea for people to get proactive with their finances.</p>
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		<title>By: Aman@BullsBattleBears</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aman@BullsBattleBears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen a few of my friends get into these clubs and agree its good for those starting off to collaborate with others with a larger pool of money to invest and thereby dilute the risk ratio. 

However, like some have said, only a handful end up taking the roll of investors while others just seed money. 

Personally, I have started similar thing withing a sub-company that I created. I sold shares to friends at a set price and that would be their seed money. Since they want me to do all the leg work and investing, I take a commission and report quarterly how their money is doing. Profits are paid out twice a year and its worked fine so far. Its a lot of work but atleast I know I&#039;m being compensated for my actions.

For other investors, finding stocks and strategies are not hard to do if you are willing to put a little effort into it. Rather than joining a club and leaving the burden of having your money in a place you might not want it to be, follow some general sites/blogs, and invest your money and watch it grow. Its not hard!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen a few of my friends get into these clubs and agree its good for those starting off to collaborate with others with a larger pool of money to invest and thereby dilute the risk ratio. </p>
<p>However, like some have said, only a handful end up taking the roll of investors while others just seed money. </p>
<p>Personally, I have started similar thing withing a sub-company that I created. I sold shares to friends at a set price and that would be their seed money. Since they want me to do all the leg work and investing, I take a commission and report quarterly how their money is doing. Profits are paid out twice a year and its worked fine so far. Its a lot of work but atleast I know I&#8217;m being compensated for my actions.</p>
<p>For other investors, finding stocks and strategies are not hard to do if you are willing to put a little effort into it. Rather than joining a club and leaving the burden of having your money in a place you might not want it to be, follow some general sites/blogs, and invest your money and watch it grow. Its not hard!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. GoTo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. GoTo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 05:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in an investment club for 7 years.  We did  well on the investment side but finally shut it down.  Why?  Because most of the members did very little, leaving the management and research to a handful of us.  After having been forced to be the treasurer for 3 years straight, I said enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in an investment club for 7 years.  We did  well on the investment side but finally shut it down.  Why?  Because most of the members did very little, leaving the management and research to a handful of us.  After having been forced to be the treasurer for 3 years straight, I said enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m currently in an investmetn club. We each contribute $100 a month, and make a monthly decision. It&#039;s all made easier by following a buy and hold method...

The paperwork really wasn&#039;t bad at first, but we&#039;re switching from Zecco to Trade king in response to the fee changes, and that&#039;s taking us longer than we would like.

The pooled research is great when it happens, but a lot of the time half or more of the group doesn&#039;t do their share. We&#039;re pretty relaxed though, and even the folks not doing the research I think are learning a lot, so it&#039;s all good. It helps too that although we&#039;re losing money we&#039;re beating the crap out of the S &amp; P, which we chose as our benchmark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m currently in an investmetn club. We each contribute $100 a month, and make a monthly decision. It&#8217;s all made easier by following a buy and hold method&#8230;</p>
<p>The paperwork really wasn&#8217;t bad at first, but we&#8217;re switching from Zecco to Trade king in response to the fee changes, and that&#8217;s taking us longer than we would like.</p>
<p>The pooled research is great when it happens, but a lot of the time half or more of the group doesn&#8217;t do their share. We&#8217;re pretty relaxed though, and even the folks not doing the research I think are learning a lot, so it&#8217;s all good. It helps too that although we&#8217;re losing money we&#8217;re beating the crap out of the S &amp; P, which we chose as our benchmark.</p>
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		<title>By: dong</title>
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		<dc:creator>dong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would not do investment club that actually pools money, the idea of club that discusses investing is however a good one.

I ran an investment club once with pooled assets.  The amount of paperwork, tax filing etc really made it not worth it.  I didn&#039;t mind the accounting, but the tax filling were a nightmare.  The appropriate registrations to make it all legit were worse.  I folded it a couple year ago.  However, I&#039;ve been thinking about booting it up again just purely as a discussion group for a few friends to discuss investing ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would not do investment club that actually pools money, the idea of club that discusses investing is however a good one.</p>
<p>I ran an investment club once with pooled assets.  The amount of paperwork, tax filing etc really made it not worth it.  I didn&#8217;t mind the accounting, but the tax filling were a nightmare.  The appropriate registrations to make it all legit were worse.  I folded it a couple year ago.  However, I&#8217;ve been thinking about booting it up again just purely as a discussion group for a few friends to discuss investing ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: frugalCPA</title>
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		<dc:creator>frugalCPA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d worry more about the friendships than anything else. Money can do weird things to people, especially if they feel like someone else is responsible for their losses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d worry more about the friendships than anything else. Money can do weird things to people, especially if they feel like someone else is responsible for their losses.</p>
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		<title>By: Our Financial Planner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Our Financial Planner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in an investment club in college managing over 6 figures. 

You hit it right on with the positives. Was good to hear how different people look at a single investment. 

The problem was we could never agree on anything. Each vote would be a 55-45 vote. Our portfolio changed strategies from stocks to ETF&#039;s a few times. Overall I still learned a lot from managing money that&#039;s not my own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in an investment club in college managing over 6 figures. </p>
<p>You hit it right on with the positives. Was good to hear how different people look at a single investment. </p>
<p>The problem was we could never agree on anything. Each vote would be a 55-45 vote. Our portfolio changed strategies from stocks to ETF&#8217;s a few times. Overall I still learned a lot from managing money that&#8217;s not my own.</p>
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		<title>By: the weakonomist</title>
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		<dc:creator>the weakonomist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s how my investment club would work:
Initial buy-in - $1,000.
Each week one company is researched.  Everyone does the analysis they prefer (fundamental, quantitative, technical) and presents their findings.  Once everyone has presented the floor is open for discussion.  The meeting will culminate with a decision to invest or not, and how much of the portfolio should be invested if the vote is in that favor.  
A simple written contract between all parties would hold up in most states.
Someone call pull out at anytime, but their cut is reduced based on the transaction costs required to cash out their investment.
Too bad I don&#039;t have $1,000 or enough friends I trust to do the research.  It could be fun down the road though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s how my investment club would work:<br />
Initial buy-in &#8211; $1,000.<br />
Each week one company is researched.  Everyone does the analysis they prefer (fundamental, quantitative, technical) and presents their findings.  Once everyone has presented the floor is open for discussion.  The meeting will culminate with a decision to invest or not, and how much of the portfolio should be invested if the vote is in that favor.<br />
A simple written contract between all parties would hold up in most states.<br />
Someone call pull out at anytime, but their cut is reduced based on the transaction costs required to cash out their investment.<br />
Too bad I don&#8217;t have $1,000 or enough friends I trust to do the research.  It could be fun down the road though.</p>
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