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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy -
$4 a day times 94 days is only $376.  Did you mean $40 a day?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy -<br />
$4 a day times 94 days is only $376.  Did you mean $40 a day?</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 04:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys: I am a Realtor, and you&#039;d better believe I earn every CENT of my commission.
Consider a recent, fairly common experience I just had: I take a listing at 3%. Let&#039;s say I do a CMA and list the house at $169,000.00. The average days on market in my segment are 94. I decide when I go in that the homeowner needs to declutter and paint the entire interior of the home. I pick out the paint color and arrange for the painters at no extra charge. I place a couple of ads in the paper, I have a few open houses- find buyers, negotiate the sales price of the home, the home is inspected- I negotiate what will be fixed and what won&#039;t- possibly find people to fix what is broken....shepard the entire process through to closing- make sure all documents are where they should be at the closing table- and all the while looking out for my clients&#039; best interests.

And as for the comment above about &quot;watching a few shows on HGTV&quot;- if everyone could do it- they would! 

So the house sells.
The entire commission then is $5070.00. My brokerage takes 20% off the top- something most people forget- so that leaves $4056.00. I then have to take  out an additional 20% to give to Uncle Sam, which leaves $3244.80. If you do the math, you&#039;ll realize that for the amount of time spent selling this house, I am making a little over $4 a day- and this is just if the house SELLS within 94 days.  Maybe some of you are low-maintenance, and with perfect houses (right!) but most people truly do need expert assistance. 

Try thinking outside of YOUR home and consider what someone like myself runs across as a PROFESSIONAL. It&#039;s a lot tougher than it looks, folks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys: I am a Realtor, and you&#8217;d better believe I earn every CENT of my commission.<br />
Consider a recent, fairly common experience I just had: I take a listing at 3%. Let&#8217;s say I do a CMA and list the house at $169,000.00. The average days on market in my segment are 94. I decide when I go in that the homeowner needs to declutter and paint the entire interior of the home. I pick out the paint color and arrange for the painters at no extra charge. I place a couple of ads in the paper, I have a few open houses- find buyers, negotiate the sales price of the home, the home is inspected- I negotiate what will be fixed and what won&#8217;t- possibly find people to fix what is broken&#8230;.shepard the entire process through to closing- make sure all documents are where they should be at the closing table- and all the while looking out for my clients&#8217; best interests.</p>
<p>And as for the comment above about &#8220;watching a few shows on HGTV&#8221;- if everyone could do it- they would! </p>
<p>So the house sells.<br />
The entire commission then is $5070.00. My brokerage takes 20% off the top- something most people forget- so that leaves $4056.00. I then have to take  out an additional 20% to give to Uncle Sam, which leaves $3244.80. If you do the math, you&#8217;ll realize that for the amount of time spent selling this house, I am making a little over $4 a day- and this is just if the house SELLS within 94 days.  Maybe some of you are low-maintenance, and with perfect houses (right!) but most people truly do need expert assistance. </p>
<p>Try thinking outside of YOUR home and consider what someone like myself runs across as a PROFESSIONAL. It&#8217;s a lot tougher than it looks, folks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 08:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think real estate agents can and do provide a service that is valuable.

Is it worth 3-6% of the home price?  Probably not.  I&#039;m getting half of my buyer&#039;s agent&#039;s 3%, and I think it&#039;s a fair arrangement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think real estate agents can and do provide a service that is valuable.</p>
<p>Is it worth 3-6% of the home price?  Probably not.  I&#8217;m getting half of my buyer&#8217;s agent&#8217;s 3%, and I think it&#8217;s a fair arrangement.</p>
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		<title>By: fcc</title>
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		<dc:creator>fcc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you really do your homework, you&#039;ll be able to find a realtor with a decent rate.  I&#039;ve learned my lesson from going solo.  It takes too much time and effort to advertise, plan open houses, etc, especially in a bad market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you really do your homework, you&#8217;ll be able to find a realtor with a decent rate.  I&#8217;ve learned my lesson from going solo.  It takes too much time and effort to advertise, plan open houses, etc, especially in a bad market.</p>
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		<title>By: Foobarista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foobarista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my area, where prices start around $350K for 1 bedroom condos and go up, real-estate agents rarely can command 6%.  Sometimes, they do 4% (1% for the listing side and 3% for the buy-side), or simple flat-fee arrangements.  It&#039;s hard to argue that the agents are doing work worth $30K when selling a 2 bedroom condo for $500K to a couple of engineers from Google after listing it for two weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my area, where prices start around $350K for 1 bedroom condos and go up, real-estate agents rarely can command 6%.  Sometimes, they do 4% (1% for the listing side and 3% for the buy-side), or simple flat-fee arrangements.  It&#8217;s hard to argue that the agents are doing work worth $30K when selling a 2 bedroom condo for $500K to a couple of engineers from Google after listing it for two weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marilyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to the previous post:  It can be that it could take 3x the work for the $450,000 sale because if that is the &quot;high end&quot; or &quot;slow segment&quot; of that particular market, it may take a lot longer to sell,  therefore requiring a lot more work.

Please note that Realtors show houses constantly most of which they do not sell, and receive NO compensation nor fee for this.  Perhaps it will change that when the Realtor shows or accompanies, he/she will be PAID for the time rendered, in the same way that everyone else is.

Also, they would be PAID when called upon for price opinions- which are now given as a courtesy (even to FSBOS)- and take long hours to write up, not including  meetings with the sellers and research at the town .

In my experience with &#039;discount brokers&#039;, they can be depended upon to do ZERO work because they can have the expectation of earning the minimum or less.  In a shared transaction, I did 100% of the work because the discount listing broker did NOTHING.  The payout was substandard.  The discounter eventually went out of business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to the previous post:  It can be that it could take 3x the work for the $450,000 sale because if that is the &#8220;high end&#8221; or &#8220;slow segment&#8221; of that particular market, it may take a lot longer to sell,  therefore requiring a lot more work.</p>
<p>Please note that Realtors show houses constantly most of which they do not sell, and receive NO compensation nor fee for this.  Perhaps it will change that when the Realtor shows or accompanies, he/she will be PAID for the time rendered, in the same way that everyone else is.</p>
<p>Also, they would be PAID when called upon for price opinions- which are now given as a courtesy (even to FSBOS)- and take long hours to write up, not including  meetings with the sellers and research at the town .</p>
<p>In my experience with &#8216;discount brokers&#8217;, they can be depended upon to do ZERO work because they can have the expectation of earning the minimum or less.  In a shared transaction, I did 100% of the work because the discount listing broker did NOTHING.  The payout was substandard.  The discounter eventually went out of business.</p>
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		<title>By: CK</title>
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		<dc:creator>CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Realtors will be going anywhere but I do think their fee structure will change.  I see it akin to the old system of financial planning that was stock brokers on commission, now most people use someone who has flat fees.  I think Realtors are headed to flat fees.   Is it really 3 times the work to sell a 450K house then a 150K one?  I think not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Realtors will be going anywhere but I do think their fee structure will change.  I see it akin to the old system of financial planning that was stock brokers on commission, now most people use someone who has flat fees.  I think Realtors are headed to flat fees.   Is it really 3 times the work to sell a 450K house then a 150K one?  I think not.</p>
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		<title>By: cindy@staged4more</title>
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		<dc:creator>cindy@staged4more</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 07:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think for most more financially savvy sellers, like obviously the readers on this blog are, it makes sense to take the risk not hiring a realtor since people are already keen on the current market condition and they are fairly educated financially. But for a lot of sellers out there, from my personal observation working with many sellers directly (I am a stager), they do need someone to hold their hands through it or just have the realtors handle everything. It can be quite daunting for people to deal with invasive buyers, get irritated by not so serious buyers, or meeting with people with wrongful intention who pose as buyers. Or the sellers are too busy to deal with all these stuff themselves because they have young kids, busy jobs, life, etc. Also divorcing couples tend to use realtors as a buffer as well since obviously they don&#039;t want to deal with each other let along work together on selling the house.

I feel that the main reason why people hire realtors is setting the right price. (and the other is probably because in my state California we are so sue happy that people need an insurance by hiring the realtor) Sellers tend to view their home worth more than what the current market is willing to pay for it, especially they can&#039;t accept that after all this work and etc., in a buyer&#039;s market, they are not going to get what they want to make out of the sale, they are only going to get what the market is willing to pay for.

I do work with FSBO sellers and investors who sell their listings on their own. They use discount broker to list the home on MLS for extra exposure, use the laywer to write all the legal stuff, and do all the marketing legwork themselves like open houses, flyers, etc. The marketing part can get tedious, you have to have patience for it. In the end they do save quite a bit of money, like $40,000 on commission for example with one of my FSBO clients. 

Personally I feel that it&#039;s worth some time just to pay the realtor a small fee to ask for their opinion on pricing the home (or you can interview a bunch of realtors with no intention of actually hiring one to get a sense of where you should price your home at... not that I am encouraging that behavior), since most homes that fail to sell largely due to overpricing.

Cheers,

Cindy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think for most more financially savvy sellers, like obviously the readers on this blog are, it makes sense to take the risk not hiring a realtor since people are already keen on the current market condition and they are fairly educated financially. But for a lot of sellers out there, from my personal observation working with many sellers directly (I am a stager), they do need someone to hold their hands through it or just have the realtors handle everything. It can be quite daunting for people to deal with invasive buyers, get irritated by not so serious buyers, or meeting with people with wrongful intention who pose as buyers. Or the sellers are too busy to deal with all these stuff themselves because they have young kids, busy jobs, life, etc. Also divorcing couples tend to use realtors as a buffer as well since obviously they don&#8217;t want to deal with each other let along work together on selling the house.</p>
<p>I feel that the main reason why people hire realtors is setting the right price. (and the other is probably because in my state California we are so sue happy that people need an insurance by hiring the realtor) Sellers tend to view their home worth more than what the current market is willing to pay for it, especially they can&#8217;t accept that after all this work and etc., in a buyer&#8217;s market, they are not going to get what they want to make out of the sale, they are only going to get what the market is willing to pay for.</p>
<p>I do work with FSBO sellers and investors who sell their listings on their own. They use discount broker to list the home on MLS for extra exposure, use the laywer to write all the legal stuff, and do all the marketing legwork themselves like open houses, flyers, etc. The marketing part can get tedious, you have to have patience for it. In the end they do save quite a bit of money, like $40,000 on commission for example with one of my FSBO clients. </p>
<p>Personally I feel that it&#8217;s worth some time just to pay the realtor a small fee to ask for their opinion on pricing the home (or you can interview a bunch of realtors with no intention of actually hiring one to get a sense of where you should price your home at&#8230; not that I am encouraging that behavior), since most homes that fail to sell largely due to overpricing.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Cindy</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marilyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,  I guess I have to jump in again.  And, oh yes, I have been a real estate broker for more than 2 decades, almost 3...

There have always been FSBOS out there and sometimes they sell.

True,  the internet is providing a huge amount of real estate information previously unobtainable by the consumer which makes it tempting to do-it-yourself.  And yes, it has various effects on the business we have known, however....

Your  home sale and purchase are the biggest and most emotionally charged transactions that people engage in.  It is daunting to have strange people in and out of your home. Also daunting to qualify and negotiate with them. How do you attain the best price and terms ?  Most are clueless as to how.  Do you really want to tackle this tricky task yourself?

If you are not familiar with an area, it still is a ton of work to run around by yourself trying to find the perfect house- even with directions and computer printouts. Inefficient at the least.

My real estate colleagues work excessively hard for their clients,  huge chunks of time and expense are consistantly invested- often with no reward.  Our buyers and sellers are nervous and rely upon us. They are  too busy with their own families and careers to have to set up their own appointments, to be responsible for their own marketing, to deal with all the detail and potential for legal complication, and to invest all the days and weeks needed.  They are most willing to pay commissions rather than shoulder all the labor-intensive work, responsibility, and stress all alone.  

It will be interesting if your prediction does comes true,  but it may be considerably more challenging in actuality than it looks like in theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,  I guess I have to jump in again.  And, oh yes, I have been a real estate broker for more than 2 decades, almost 3&#8230;</p>
<p>There have always been FSBOS out there and sometimes they sell.</p>
<p>True,  the internet is providing a huge amount of real estate information previously unobtainable by the consumer which makes it tempting to do-it-yourself.  And yes, it has various effects on the business we have known, however&#8230;.</p>
<p>Your  home sale and purchase are the biggest and most emotionally charged transactions that people engage in.  It is daunting to have strange people in and out of your home. Also daunting to qualify and negotiate with them. How do you attain the best price and terms ?  Most are clueless as to how.  Do you really want to tackle this tricky task yourself?</p>
<p>If you are not familiar with an area, it still is a ton of work to run around by yourself trying to find the perfect house- even with directions and computer printouts. Inefficient at the least.</p>
<p>My real estate colleagues work excessively hard for their clients,  huge chunks of time and expense are consistantly invested- often with no reward.  Our buyers and sellers are nervous and rely upon us. They are  too busy with their own families and careers to have to set up their own appointments, to be responsible for their own marketing, to deal with all the detail and potential for legal complication, and to invest all the days and weeks needed.  They are most willing to pay commissions rather than shoulder all the labor-intensive work, responsibility, and stress all alone.  </p>
<p>It will be interesting if your prediction does comes true,  but it may be considerably more challenging in actuality than it looks like in theory.</p>
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		<title>By: guinness416</title>
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		<dc:creator>guinness416</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 23:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you as seller don&#039;t have an agent, will other agents bring their buyers to you?  Estate agents in the markets I&#039;ve purchased in always seemed to me a surprisingly small and incestuous bunch.  You&#039;d want to be very sure that you were getting the house as widely seen as you could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you as seller don&#8217;t have an agent, will other agents bring their buyers to you?  Estate agents in the markets I&#8217;ve purchased in always seemed to me a surprisingly small and incestuous bunch.  You&#8217;d want to be very sure that you were getting the house as widely seen as you could.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, it can be very expensive to sell a house, but many times you are paying for the exposure of your property, and paying for the experience the realtor provides.

If I already knew someone who wanted to buy my house, then I would go to a lawyer and sell it that way - and save thousands. But I will likely just put mine on the open market and the exposure a realtor brings will be what helps sell the house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, it can be very expensive to sell a house, but many times you are paying for the exposure of your property, and paying for the experience the realtor provides.</p>
<p>If I already knew someone who wanted to buy my house, then I would go to a lawyer and sell it that way &#8211; and save thousands. But I will likely just put mine on the open market and the exposure a realtor brings will be what helps sell the house.</p>
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		<title>By: RateLadder.com - Prosper Lending Strategy, Loans, and Rate analysis</title>
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		<dc:creator>RateLadder.com - Prosper Lending Strategy, Loans, and Rate analysis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not defending realtors as mine stink.  But they can help in long distance buying and selling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not defending realtors as mine stink.  But they can help in long distance buying and selling.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 21:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The study managed to show buyers were suckers to buy FSBOs; they actually paid more for them!  It also managed to show that in a rising market it pays to delay selling your house.  Generally, a realtor&#039;s fee will be divided between buyer and seller depending on whether it is a seller&#039;s or buyer&#039;s market respectively.  In a seller&#039;s market it is largely paid by the buyer anyway, while in a buyer&#039;s market it is largely paid by the seller but that is when they need the most help to sell it.  The real alternative is not private vs. public but auction vs. inventory models, best execution vs. best price, but I don&#039;t see that changing much as sellers resist auctions in buyer&#039;s markets and most buyers would resist them in seller&#039;s markets.  Agents have much to offer in information and that is a lot more than just saying it is on the internet, go hunt for it.  As it is usually a highly personal decision and often does require selling, while the market may divide into levels of service, it is unlikely to disappear as we know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The study managed to show buyers were suckers to buy FSBOs; they actually paid more for them!  It also managed to show that in a rising market it pays to delay selling your house.  Generally, a realtor&#8217;s fee will be divided between buyer and seller depending on whether it is a seller&#8217;s or buyer&#8217;s market respectively.  In a seller&#8217;s market it is largely paid by the buyer anyway, while in a buyer&#8217;s market it is largely paid by the seller but that is when they need the most help to sell it.  The real alternative is not private vs. public but auction vs. inventory models, best execution vs. best price, but I don&#8217;t see that changing much as sellers resist auctions in buyer&#8217;s markets and most buyers would resist them in seller&#8217;s markets.  Agents have much to offer in information and that is a lot more than just saying it is on the internet, go hunt for it.  As it is usually a highly personal decision and often does require selling, while the market may divide into levels of service, it is unlikely to disappear as we know it.</p>
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		<title>By: muckdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>muckdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sold a house myself.  Used a lawyer to write up the contract.  Easy.  The fees were extremely minuscule compared to using an agent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sold a house myself.  Used a lawyer to write up the contract.  Easy.  The fees were extremely minuscule compared to using an agent.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Valentine</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/is-a-realtor-worth-the-commission.html/comment-page-1#comment-139987</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Valentine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People complaining about Realtors are usually just cheapskates.  You don&#039;t have to use them.  The cost of the realtor&#039;s services is usually built into the price.  Realtors provide a service and they should be compensated.

I offered to buy a house that was FSBO (I had no agent) and I offered ~5% less than what homes were selling for in the area.  My reasoning when I presented the offer was he was still coming out ahead of not using a realtor.  He didn&#039;t take it.  I ended up buying another house FSBO that was listed for sale ~6% below market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People complaining about Realtors are usually just cheapskates.  You don&#8217;t have to use them.  The cost of the realtor&#8217;s services is usually built into the price.  Realtors provide a service and they should be compensated.</p>
<p>I offered to buy a house that was FSBO (I had no agent) and I offered ~5% less than what homes were selling for in the area.  My reasoning when I presented the offer was he was still coming out ahead of not using a realtor.  He didn&#8217;t take it.  I ended up buying another house FSBO that was listed for sale ~6% below market.</p>
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