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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are being taught how to think, are you thinking or just imitating?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are being taught how to think, are you thinking or just imitating?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivy league trust fund recipients are revered in society.</description>
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		<title>By: JNY</title>
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		<dc:creator>JNY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting a degree is necessary of course, but I strongly believe that going into massive amounts of debt to attend a top private university is absolutely not worth it! I bought into that idea and my life has been a bit of financial mess for the past 11 years. It was a complete mistake that I deeply regret, but it&#039;s too late to undo it.

University education in this country is far, far too expensive. And state schools are great -- but not all are created equal (some states have far better and more diverse programs than others.) And out-of-state tuition back when I attended college rivaled the cost of some private schools. 

In general, I think you shouldn&#039;t graduate with more than $17,000 of debt. The bills can cripple you financially and severely limit the life choices you make. IT&#039;S NOT WORTH IT. Go somewhere affordable and keep your life open to better choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting a degree is necessary of course, but I strongly believe that going into massive amounts of debt to attend a top private university is absolutely not worth it! I bought into that idea and my life has been a bit of financial mess for the past 11 years. It was a complete mistake that I deeply regret, but it&#8217;s too late to undo it.</p>
<p>University education in this country is far, far too expensive. And state schools are great &#8212; but not all are created equal (some states have far better and more diverse programs than others.) And out-of-state tuition back when I attended college rivaled the cost of some private schools. </p>
<p>In general, I think you shouldn&#8217;t graduate with more than $17,000 of debt. The bills can cripple you financially and severely limit the life choices you make. IT&#8217;S NOT WORTH IT. Go somewhere affordable and keep your life open to better choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew:

Oh no, I am one of those EVIL student loan defaulters Reagan warned you about!

As part of the &quot;personal responsibility/work first&quot; philospohy, defaulters cannot get financial aid as long as their loans are in default.  (There WAS a serious problem of &quot;perpetual students&quot; defaulting and abusing student loans; the pendulum has now swung the other way.)

In the meantime, defaulters face a 15 percent garnishment from their &quot;disposable pay&quot; which is their net pay.

From my $960/mo income, $144 is extracted and sent to Dept of Ed for my student loans.  Oh, I am also charged $17 for the &quot;privilege&quot; of having my money extracted.

My rent (a room in a house with nine people) is $650 per month and medical expenses (primarily insurance which is subsidized) are $100.

I live on fumes and food stamps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew:</p>
<p>Oh no, I am one of those EVIL student loan defaulters Reagan warned you about!</p>
<p>As part of the &#8220;personal responsibility/work first&#8221; philospohy, defaulters cannot get financial aid as long as their loans are in default.  (There WAS a serious problem of &#8220;perpetual students&#8221; defaulting and abusing student loans; the pendulum has now swung the other way.)</p>
<p>In the meantime, defaulters face a 15 percent garnishment from their &#8220;disposable pay&#8221; which is their net pay.</p>
<p>From my $960/mo income, $144 is extracted and sent to Dept of Ed for my student loans.  Oh, I am also charged $17 for the &#8220;privilege&#8221; of having my money extracted.</p>
<p>My rent (a room in a house with nine people) is $650 per month and medical expenses (primarily insurance which is subsidized) are $100.</p>
<p>I live on fumes and food stamps.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin@OutOfYourRut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin@OutOfYourRut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an intelligent group of posters who have added much to the original story.  

Maybe the real question here is one which cannot be answered, but maybe only anticipated:  what ever the economic fortunes of college grads in the past (public or private), what will be the prospects going forward?  

Prior to the 1970s, a college grad could expect to do well because not many people held degrees.  In the decades since, even with a flood of graduates, the advantage has largely held because of the shift away from  manufacturing, with heavy production employment and relatively light management, to the finance sector, where a degree is helpful even for non-management jobs.

With all areas of finance under heavy stress, and maybe past peak for the forseeable future, what sector is on the horizon that will soak up all of the graduates?

My bet is that unless you are going into a field like medicine, law or engineering, that can&#039;t be entered absent a degree, you will do well to thoroughly investigate future prospects before commiting the time, effort and money, including future debt, to a career with average (or below) earnings prospects. 

It isn&#039;t beyond the realm of possibility that the employment base might once again shift, but this time from white collar occupations to jobs that require people to create, grow and fix things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an intelligent group of posters who have added much to the original story.  </p>
<p>Maybe the real question here is one which cannot be answered, but maybe only anticipated:  what ever the economic fortunes of college grads in the past (public or private), what will be the prospects going forward?  </p>
<p>Prior to the 1970s, a college grad could expect to do well because not many people held degrees.  In the decades since, even with a flood of graduates, the advantage has largely held because of the shift away from  manufacturing, with heavy production employment and relatively light management, to the finance sector, where a degree is helpful even for non-management jobs.</p>
<p>With all areas of finance under heavy stress, and maybe past peak for the forseeable future, what sector is on the horizon that will soak up all of the graduates?</p>
<p>My bet is that unless you are going into a field like medicine, law or engineering, that can&#8217;t be entered absent a degree, you will do well to thoroughly investigate future prospects before commiting the time, effort and money, including future debt, to a career with average (or below) earnings prospects. </p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t beyond the realm of possibility that the employment base might once again shift, but this time from white collar occupations to jobs that require people to create, grow and fix things.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one has no money, praytell, why can one not get financial aid? Is one an undocumented alien? Wanted criminal? I thought financial aid was intended precisely for this sort of situation. Please enlighten me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one has no money, praytell, why can one not get financial aid? Is one an undocumented alien? Wanted criminal? I thought financial aid was intended precisely for this sort of situation. Please enlighten me.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does one go back to college when one has no money and cannot get financial aid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does one go back to college when one has no money and cannot get financial aid?</p>
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		<title>By: DDFD at DivorcedDadFrugalDad</title>
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		<dc:creator>DDFD at DivorcedDadFrugalDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think higher education pays off in the long run, but that&#039;s the problem-- the long run!

I am coming around to recommending young people consider two concepts:

1) Consider &quot;good&quot; state colleges (less $$$)

2) Consider working 1-2 years before junior year (provides focus and $$$)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think higher education pays off in the long run, but that&#8217;s the problem&#8211; the long run!</p>
<p>I am coming around to recommending young people consider two concepts:</p>
<p>1) Consider &#8220;good&#8221; state colleges (less $$$)</p>
<p>2) Consider working 1-2 years before junior year (provides focus and $$$)</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>getting a college degree and getting a degree in a marketable field are on opposite sides of the spectrum. I remember a 20/20 or some nightly news show that had a bunch of whiny college grads complaining that they had all this student loan debt and couldn&#039;t find a job. The reality was that they had some pansy degree in some really niche skill. They also were complaining about having to move to find a job. 

Sorry folks, the real world doesn&#039;t want you to have a degree in Folklore with a minor in dance. Might as well practice saying &quot;would you like that biggie sized?&quot; You made a decision to get a non-marketable education. Either go back and get a real degree, find something else in a different market, or bite the bullet and put on the apron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>getting a college degree and getting a degree in a marketable field are on opposite sides of the spectrum. I remember a 20/20 or some nightly news show that had a bunch of whiny college grads complaining that they had all this student loan debt and couldn&#8217;t find a job. The reality was that they had some pansy degree in some really niche skill. They also were complaining about having to move to find a job. </p>
<p>Sorry folks, the real world doesn&#8217;t want you to have a degree in Folklore with a minor in dance. Might as well practice saying &#8220;would you like that biggie sized?&#8221; You made a decision to get a non-marketable education. Either go back and get a real degree, find something else in a different market, or bite the bullet and put on the apron.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>never thought of going to the ceremony to see the total graduates. interesting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>never thought of going to the ceremony to see the total graduates. interesting</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you that many state schools offer equally (or more) rigorous academic programs when compared to more &quot;prestigious&quot; schools, but brand name recognition matters in terms of job and salary offers. It shouldn&#039;t, but it does. I didn&#039;t go to Harvard, so I have no first-hand knowledge of how good their programs are, but I recognize the name, so I might want to hire someone who went there. Then again, I&#039;m not a hiring manager, so what do I know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that many state schools offer equally (or more) rigorous academic programs when compared to more &#8220;prestigious&#8221; schools, but brand name recognition matters in terms of job and salary offers. It shouldn&#8217;t, but it does. I didn&#8217;t go to Harvard, so I have no first-hand knowledge of how good their programs are, but I recognize the name, so I might want to hire someone who went there. Then again, I&#8217;m not a hiring manager, so what do I know?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, you have to factor in not only the cost of college but the opportunity cost of foregone wages during the years spent in college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, you have to factor in not only the cost of college but the opportunity cost of foregone wages during the years spent in college.</p>
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		<title>By: freeby50</title>
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		<dc:creator>freeby50</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>College is absolutely worth it financially for many people.   On average college graduates make more money.   

Of course it depends on the exact situation.  A very smart person with a desire to start their own business won&#039;t necessarily get the same benefit from a degree as someone who is planning to become a nurse or engineer.    If you have no inclination to study a particular major field in college and would prefer to work in construction or repair cars then college won&#039;t be a good investment.

Usually college is going to pay for itself and then some.   But don&#039;t go to college just cause everyone says you should.   Everyone should have a plan for going to college.  Simply getting a BA in random topic is not necessarily a good investment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>College is absolutely worth it financially for many people.   On average college graduates make more money.   </p>
<p>Of course it depends on the exact situation.  A very smart person with a desire to start their own business won&#8217;t necessarily get the same benefit from a degree as someone who is planning to become a nurse or engineer.    If you have no inclination to study a particular major field in college and would prefer to work in construction or repair cars then college won&#8217;t be a good investment.</p>
<p>Usually college is going to pay for itself and then some.   But don&#8217;t go to college just cause everyone says you should.   Everyone should have a plan for going to college.  Simply getting a BA in random topic is not necessarily a good investment.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY!

A substantial number and proportion of college graduates - especially those with liberal arts degrees -  earn well under the median.

Going to college is a high-risk financial undertaking.

Going to college cost me tens of thousands of dollars and several years of time and all I have to show for it is a pile of debt which is very burdensome on a minimum wage income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY!</p>
<p>A substantial number and proportion of college graduates &#8211; especially those with liberal arts degrees &#8211;  earn well under the median.</p>
<p>Going to college is a high-risk financial undertaking.</p>
<p>Going to college cost me tens of thousands of dollars and several years of time and all I have to show for it is a pile of debt which is very burdensome on a minimum wage income.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a more valid comparison would be to compare high students of a given IQ and high school grades (controlling for varying difficulty of high schools) who go to college vs. those similarly situated who do not go to college. Some years ago a study showed that Harvard graduates earned dramatically more than lesser-school graduates, but the study was flawed, because the key was being _accepted_ to Harvard, not graduating from Harvard. In other words, Harvard-caliber people earn more than others regardless of where they attend college. Since very few Harvard-caliber people wind up not attending college or not completing it (Bill Gates comes to mind), it is hard to answer whether they would do as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a more valid comparison would be to compare high students of a given IQ and high school grades (controlling for varying difficulty of high schools) who go to college vs. those similarly situated who do not go to college. Some years ago a study showed that Harvard graduates earned dramatically more than lesser-school graduates, but the study was flawed, because the key was being _accepted_ to Harvard, not graduating from Harvard. In other words, Harvard-caliber people earn more than others regardless of where they attend college. Since very few Harvard-caliber people wind up not attending college or not completing it (Bill Gates comes to mind), it is hard to answer whether they would do as well.</p>
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