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		<title>By: daemondust</title>
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		<dc:creator>daemondust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw a commercial yesterday for Ally, calling themselves new.  How can they do that since they&#039;re just a rename of GMAC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw a commercial yesterday for Ally, calling themselves new.  How can they do that since they&#8217;re just a rename of GMAC?</p>
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		<title>By: aua868s</title>
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		<dc:creator>aua868s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i &quot;discovered&quot; ally bank....thanks to Jim and his wonderful posts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i &#8220;discovered&#8221; ally bank&#8230;.thanks to Jim and his wonderful posts!</p>
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		<title>By: SoItsComeToThis</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoItsComeToThis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to know if anyone considers integration with Mint.com, Quicken, or MS Money to be important when choosing an online bank?  I&#039;ve been using ING for a while because they make it easy to create subaccounts for savings.  But recently they started blocking Mint.com and other users on their forums claim the same is happening for Quicken and MS Money users.

According to Mint and others, its because ING considers these sites to be unsecured &quot;aggregators&quot; which, in their opinion, pose a risk to their customers.  Therefore, they&#039;ve blocked the access and customers are forced to use that horrible web interface.

I&#039;m wondering if anyone has had good experiences with other online banks in combination with financial tracking &amp; planning tools like Quicken, Mint, and MS Money.  I&#039;m willing to switch banks if the same features can be found elsewhere.

Any thoughts or advice is appreciated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to know if anyone considers integration with Mint.com, Quicken, or MS Money to be important when choosing an online bank?  I&#8217;ve been using ING for a while because they make it easy to create subaccounts for savings.  But recently they started blocking Mint.com and other users on their forums claim the same is happening for Quicken and MS Money users.</p>
<p>According to Mint and others, its because ING considers these sites to be unsecured &#8220;aggregators&#8221; which, in their opinion, pose a risk to their customers.  Therefore, they&#8217;ve blocked the access and customers are forced to use that horrible web interface.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering if anyone has had good experiences with other online banks in combination with financial tracking &amp; planning tools like Quicken, Mint, and MS Money.  I&#8217;m willing to switch banks if the same features can be found elsewhere.</p>
<p>Any thoughts or advice is appreciated!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Online banks are great and offer much higher savings rates that at most local banks.  The biggest problem I have with many of them is that they don&#039;t have a branch to actually go to in order to get your money out.  I had a major issue with trying to get my money out where they had locked my account and I was unable to get a hold of the money for a week or so.  Other than that situation, I have nothing but good things to say about online banking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Online banks are great and offer much higher savings rates that at most local banks.  The biggest problem I have with many of them is that they don&#8217;t have a branch to actually go to in order to get your money out.  I had a major issue with trying to get my money out where they had locked my account and I was unable to get a hold of the money for a week or so.  Other than that situation, I have nothing but good things to say about online banking.</p>
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		<title>By: daemondust</title>
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		<dc:creator>daemondust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The weakest point is your own computer.  The encryption across the wire is very strong, and the bank&#039;s computers are secured to an insane degree.  Day to day activity on systems handling financial data is a huge pain in the butt, and a break-in should be found pretty quickly.

Unfortunately, your computer might have key loggers, viruses, etc on it that records your SS#, login information and everything else you type.  ING Direct takes a pretty good method of entry for your PIN.  Instead of being text input, it&#039;s pictures of a keypad. So anyone with malicious intent would have to record your mouse moves and clicks too.  That doesn&#039;t protect against shoulder surfing, but it&#039;s generally easier to see someone behind you than a virus stealing your information.  If you can&#039;t use a mouse for whatever reason they randomize letters on the number buttons you can type in.  They&#039;re different every time to give the same level of protection from keystroke logging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The weakest point is your own computer.  The encryption across the wire is very strong, and the bank&#8217;s computers are secured to an insane degree.  Day to day activity on systems handling financial data is a huge pain in the butt, and a break-in should be found pretty quickly.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, your computer might have key loggers, viruses, etc on it that records your SS#, login information and everything else you type.  ING Direct takes a pretty good method of entry for your PIN.  Instead of being text input, it&#8217;s pictures of a keypad. So anyone with malicious intent would have to record your mouse moves and clicks too.  That doesn&#8217;t protect against shoulder surfing, but it&#8217;s generally easier to see someone behind you than a virus stealing your information.  If you can&#8217;t use a mouse for whatever reason they randomize letters on the number buttons you can type in.  They&#8217;re different every time to give the same level of protection from keystroke logging.</p>
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		<title>By: mikestreb</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikestreb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read up on USAA.  Definitely don&#039;t qualify for that.  If you are/were in the armed services you qualify, but you need to have a credit card or loan through them too. I guess it makes sense, if you start scanning bad checks, they can just take it against the credit they have extended to you.

Anyone know of any other banks that don&#039;t require military service that offer something similar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read up on USAA.  Definitely don&#8217;t qualify for that.  If you are/were in the armed services you qualify, but you need to have a credit card or loan through them too. I guess it makes sense, if you start scanning bad checks, they can just take it against the credit they have extended to you.</p>
<p>Anyone know of any other banks that don&#8217;t require military service that offer something similar?</p>
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		<title>By: mikestreb</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikestreb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is definitely a big issue with online banks or banks no where near you.  What pisses me off with this, is I am pretty sure they take the money out right away (they know its there and take it). But, it doesn&#039;t show up and clear your account for 2, 3, 4, 5 days...  The banks got their money sooner when Check 21 was passed (back in &#039;04 I think), but the banks sat on the money and made you wait 3-5 days and earned a TON of interest on it. They had the money but didn&#039;t put it into your account so they could earn the interest on it.

Another big issue that I don&#039;t think applies to online banks like ING, but more to banks that aren&#039;t close to you. I remember I had WaMu and live in Ohio - There isn&#039;t(wasn&#039;t) a WaMu anywhere in Ohio... I got my debit card and wanted to change the PIN to something more memorable to me, so I called and told them I wanted to change my PIN. They told me &#039;no problem. Just go to your local WaMu branch.&#039; When I told them I lived in Ohio and there weren&#039;t any WaMu&#039;s within like 300 miles, they plain told me tough... So I just had to use what they gave me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is definitely a big issue with online banks or banks no where near you.  What pisses me off with this, is I am pretty sure they take the money out right away (they know its there and take it). But, it doesn&#8217;t show up and clear your account for 2, 3, 4, 5 days&#8230;  The banks got their money sooner when Check 21 was passed (back in &#8217;04 I think), but the banks sat on the money and made you wait 3-5 days and earned a TON of interest on it. They had the money but didn&#8217;t put it into your account so they could earn the interest on it.</p>
<p>Another big issue that I don&#8217;t think applies to online banks like ING, but more to banks that aren&#8217;t close to you. I remember I had WaMu and live in Ohio &#8211; There isn&#8217;t(wasn&#8217;t) a WaMu anywhere in Ohio&#8230; I got my debit card and wanted to change the PIN to something more memorable to me, so I called and told them I wanted to change my PIN. They told me &#8216;no problem. Just go to your local WaMu branch.&#8217; When I told them I lived in Ohio and there weren&#8217;t any WaMu&#8217;s within like 300 miles, they plain told me tough&#8230; So I just had to use what they gave me.</p>
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		<title>By: daemondust</title>
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		<dc:creator>daemondust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m almost positive USAA is the only bank that does that for private accounts.  It&#039;s a shame, because I would use it if I could too.  Not that I receive many checks, but bankers hours are really inconvenient.

The magnetic ink only makes checks easier to scan.  It isn&#039;t strictly required.  There really isn&#039;t much required on a check.  As long as I include all the data on a &quot;real&quot; check on a piece of paper, I could hand out checks on napkins and they would be just as valid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m almost positive USAA is the only bank that does that for private accounts.  It&#8217;s a shame, because I would use it if I could too.  Not that I receive many checks, but bankers hours are really inconvenient.</p>
<p>The magnetic ink only makes checks easier to scan.  It isn&#8217;t strictly required.  There really isn&#8217;t much required on a check.  As long as I include all the data on a &#8220;real&#8221; check on a piece of paper, I could hand out checks on napkins and they would be just as valid.</p>
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		<title>By: daemondust</title>
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		<dc:creator>daemondust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, the biggest draw is actually the delay between initiating a transfer and getting the money at my CU.  I have my liquid savings at ING, simply because it can&#039;t spend it without having to go through a several days long process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, the biggest draw is actually the delay between initiating a transfer and getting the money at my CU.  I have my liquid savings at ING, simply because it can&#8217;t spend it without having to go through a several days long process.</p>
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		<title>By: mikestreb</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikestreb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish any of my banks did that.  As far as I can tell, only business accounts have to ability to do that at most bigger banks.  I asked on of the people at my local bank when I was in doing something and the monthly fee was crazy (like $100+), the equipment was very pricey (I think around $500) and the setup fee was almost $1k.

Some bank needs to start offering this for consumer accounts.  I would signup with them in a heartbeat to save a trip to the bank and to see the money in my account sooner.

I think the issue with using a regular old scanner is they need to see the MICR ink (it is like a magnetic ink that is used to print checks, so their scanners pick up the routing and account numbers - also I am sure it is a security thing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish any of my banks did that.  As far as I can tell, only business accounts have to ability to do that at most bigger banks.  I asked on of the people at my local bank when I was in doing something and the monthly fee was crazy (like $100+), the equipment was very pricey (I think around $500) and the setup fee was almost $1k.</p>
<p>Some bank needs to start offering this for consumer accounts.  I would signup with them in a heartbeat to save a trip to the bank and to see the money in my account sooner.</p>
<p>I think the issue with using a regular old scanner is they need to see the MICR ink (it is like a magnetic ink that is used to print checks, so their scanners pick up the routing and account numbers &#8211; also I am sure it is a security thing).</p>
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		<title>By: daemondust</title>
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		<dc:creator>daemondust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. They&#039;re great for a second (or third...) account, but it would be hard to use them as your only bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. They&#8217;re great for a second (or third&#8230;) account, but it would be hard to use them as your only bank.</p>
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		<title>By: daemondust</title>
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		<dc:creator>daemondust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those &#039;Close on Friday Open on Monday&#039; ones are when another bank buys the old bank (at a substantial discount) and covers the deposits.  This is usually what happens.

If the bank DOES fold outright, FDIC generally pays in a week or two, but I believe technically has no maximum amount of time they have to pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those &#8216;Close on Friday Open on Monday&#8217; ones are when another bank buys the old bank (at a substantial discount) and covers the deposits.  This is usually what happens.</p>
<p>If the bank DOES fold outright, FDIC generally pays in a week or two, but I believe technically has no maximum amount of time they have to pay.</p>
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		<title>By: daemondust</title>
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		<dc:creator>daemondust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They accept checks by mail.  Not quite the same, but they take them.  I wish they would open a program line USAA does where you send them a picture and the routing numbers and they deposit it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They accept checks by mail.  Not quite the same, but they take them.  I wish they would open a program line USAA does where you send them a picture and the routing numbers and they deposit it.</p>
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		<title>By: mikestreb</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikestreb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you losing money on Paypal&#039;s money market yet?  It used to be the best and most convenient &#039;online bank&#039; out there paying out upwards of 5%.  Now they are paying 0.08% (you would earn $8 a year on $10,000). That is terrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you losing money on Paypal&#8217;s money market yet?  It used to be the best and most convenient &#8216;online bank&#8217; out there paying out upwards of 5%.  Now they are paying 0.08% (you would earn $8 a year on $10,000). That is terrible.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not forget that there is no need to choose one or the other. Just like a stock portfolio, I believe it&#039;s important to have you &quot;liquid&quot; savings diversified as well - within reason.

I have three online bank accounts in existence right now - ING, HSBC, and Ally. Because of the fact that I have multiple online accounts, I was able to take advantage of the recent ING Added Value 2.25% CD for new money. I withdrew a bit from my Ally account and opened up an ING cd with it a few weeks ago.

And on top of those online accounts, I keep a smaller savings account at our local B&amp;M.

Oh, and I also have $100 in my sock drawer.

Diversify!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not forget that there is no need to choose one or the other. Just like a stock portfolio, I believe it&#8217;s important to have you &#8220;liquid&#8221; savings diversified as well &#8211; within reason.</p>
<p>I have three online bank accounts in existence right now &#8211; ING, HSBC, and Ally. Because of the fact that I have multiple online accounts, I was able to take advantage of the recent ING Added Value 2.25% CD for new money. I withdrew a bit from my Ally account and opened up an ING cd with it a few weeks ago.</p>
<p>And on top of those online accounts, I keep a smaller savings account at our local B&amp;M.</p>
<p>Oh, and I also have $100 in my sock drawer.</p>
<p>Diversify!</p>
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