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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2011 17:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical real estate agent response from &quot;Rose&quot;.  I can appreciate they are trying to protect their racket, but it is a racket. 

&quot;You are paying top dollar for a house but know nothing about it. Skipping any part of a procedure for purchasing could harm you in the long run.&quot;

What don&#039;t I know about it?  Does an agent perform the home inspection for me?  No, I have to hire a home inspector to tell me what I need to know.  That 3% the seller won&#039;t be paying you could come off the price of the house to pay for the inspection plus repairs. 

Realtors aren&#039;t lawyers, so I don&#039;t know why I would want to rely on one for contracts.  

Realtors aren&#039;t bankers.  In fact, I&#039;ve seen too many examples where realtors push buyers into loans with one of their buddies that aren&#039;t even that good.  Everyone getting a piece of the action except the buyer.  

I can do pricing research on my own.  It is 2011, there is a ton of transaction price and listing price information on the internet.  I don&#039;t need the realtor mafia to disclose me their secret information anymore.  

Next time I sell, I will go FSBO.  I&#039;ll offer 1.5% to an agent who physically shows up.  The price of the house will probably be $350k.  Can you honestly say $5k for showing a house is unreasonable?  An attorney will handle the transaction for me at a fraction of the 3% I&#039;d pay to a selling agent.  

The home I&#039;ll buy will probably be about $450k. I am not paying someone $13,500 to show me places I can find online and go check out myself. I can redo the landscaping for that money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical real estate agent response from &#8220;Rose&#8221;.  I can appreciate they are trying to protect their racket, but it is a racket. </p>
<p>&#8220;You are paying top dollar for a house but know nothing about it. Skipping any part of a procedure for purchasing could harm you in the long run.&#8221;</p>
<p>What don&#8217;t I know about it?  Does an agent perform the home inspection for me?  No, I have to hire a home inspector to tell me what I need to know.  That 3% the seller won&#8217;t be paying you could come off the price of the house to pay for the inspection plus repairs. </p>
<p>Realtors aren&#8217;t lawyers, so I don&#8217;t know why I would want to rely on one for contracts.  </p>
<p>Realtors aren&#8217;t bankers.  In fact, I&#8217;ve seen too many examples where realtors push buyers into loans with one of their buddies that aren&#8217;t even that good.  Everyone getting a piece of the action except the buyer.  </p>
<p>I can do pricing research on my own.  It is 2011, there is a ton of transaction price and listing price information on the internet.  I don&#8217;t need the realtor mafia to disclose me their secret information anymore.  </p>
<p>Next time I sell, I will go FSBO.  I&#8217;ll offer 1.5% to an agent who physically shows up.  The price of the house will probably be $350k.  Can you honestly say $5k for showing a house is unreasonable?  An attorney will handle the transaction for me at a fraction of the 3% I&#8217;d pay to a selling agent.  </p>
<p>The home I&#8217;ll buy will probably be about $450k. I am not paying someone $13,500 to show me places I can find online and go check out myself. I can redo the landscaping for that money.</p>
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		<title>By: jf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 00:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought by house as a FSBO without a broker.  The sellers were great, and at the time (2005), I paid a very reasonable price for a house that was in my price range and didn&#039;t require 100K of work to bring it up to date.  

I will say that buy the time I made the offer on this house I&#039;d been looking for almost a year, using a buyer broker and had a pretty good sense of the market.  I was also getting the sense that my broker didn&#039;t have the &quot;ins&quot; that a broker who represent both buyers and sellers would have.

AND the sellers were buying the place next door, which made it unlikely that they would be jerks.  They weren&#039;t. 

At the beginning of my search I made an offer on another FSBO.  The seller had another offer fall through and was less than forthcoming about the reason.  When I had the house inspected, the radon count that was off the charts.  Needless to say, I did not go through with the purchase. 

Bottom line:  buying directly from the owner can be a very good experience, with some knowledge of the market and the right sellers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought by house as a FSBO without a broker.  The sellers were great, and at the time (2005), I paid a very reasonable price for a house that was in my price range and didn&#8217;t require 100K of work to bring it up to date.  </p>
<p>I will say that buy the time I made the offer on this house I&#8217;d been looking for almost a year, using a buyer broker and had a pretty good sense of the market.  I was also getting the sense that my broker didn&#8217;t have the &#8220;ins&#8221; that a broker who represent both buyers and sellers would have.</p>
<p>AND the sellers were buying the place next door, which made it unlikely that they would be jerks.  They weren&#8217;t. </p>
<p>At the beginning of my search I made an offer on another FSBO.  The seller had another offer fall through and was less than forthcoming about the reason.  When I had the house inspected, the radon count that was off the charts.  Needless to say, I did not go through with the purchase. </p>
<p>Bottom line:  buying directly from the owner can be a very good experience, with some knowledge of the market and the right sellers.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 23:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when you wrote, &quot;Honestly, I see no reason for a buyer to ever purchase a home without a buyer’s agent&quot; it is clear you are stupid. 

I just had 2 offers on my FSBO. One couple had a realtor that required 3% -- the other couple did NOT have a realtor. Guess which one got the house? The 2nd.

Realtors just add expense. With the internet, tax records online, a good real estate attorney a buyer can save themselves money. Lots of money.

Let me write again... REALTORS JUST ADD EXPENSE FOR THE BUYER!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when you wrote, &#8220;Honestly, I see no reason for a buyer to ever purchase a home without a buyer’s agent&#8221; it is clear you are stupid. </p>
<p>I just had 2 offers on my FSBO. One couple had a realtor that required 3% &#8212; the other couple did NOT have a realtor. Guess which one got the house? The 2nd.</p>
<p>Realtors just add expense. With the internet, tax records online, a good real estate attorney a buyer can save themselves money. Lots of money.</p>
<p>Let me write again&#8230; REALTORS JUST ADD EXPENSE FOR THE BUYER!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one saves the commission when selling and buying a FSBO.  Think of all the inspections, property disclosures (by law), the time spent on all the sundries of negotiating and closing on a property.  The seller thinks he is saving the commission, and the buyer thinks he is.  So who is right? Neither.  

You are paying top dollar for a house but know nothing about it.  Skipping any part of a procedure for purchasing could harm you in the long run.

Why take a chance?  You do not save any money, you just got the deal an agent would have and wouldn&#039;t have had to do any of the work to boot.

I think it is nuts to not use an licensed Realtor! As a buyer, you do not have to pay them anything unless you agree to it. As a buyer, you are open to some very dangerous litigations withoput a map, whereas the seller holds all the cards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one saves the commission when selling and buying a FSBO.  Think of all the inspections, property disclosures (by law), the time spent on all the sundries of negotiating and closing on a property.  The seller thinks he is saving the commission, and the buyer thinks he is.  So who is right? Neither.  </p>
<p>You are paying top dollar for a house but know nothing about it.  Skipping any part of a procedure for purchasing could harm you in the long run.</p>
<p>Why take a chance?  You do not save any money, you just got the deal an agent would have and wouldn&#8217;t have had to do any of the work to boot.</p>
<p>I think it is nuts to not use an licensed Realtor! As a buyer, you do not have to pay them anything unless you agree to it. As a buyer, you are open to some very dangerous litigations withoput a map, whereas the seller holds all the cards.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether an FSBO or agent assisted sale, always have a real estate lawyer review your contracts.  Real estate agents are not lawyers and few truly understand their boilerplate contracts.  I have never paid over $300 in legal fees for reviewing contracts and it is money well spent.  If you run into a legal problem after the sale, an agent has no liability for problems with the contract.  

If your a considering an FSBO, call several real estate lawyers and find out how much it will cost for them to coordinate the entire transaction.  You will likely be surprised how much cheaper and more efficient the who process is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether an FSBO or agent assisted sale, always have a real estate lawyer review your contracts.  Real estate agents are not lawyers and few truly understand their boilerplate contracts.  I have never paid over $300 in legal fees for reviewing contracts and it is money well spent.  If you run into a legal problem after the sale, an agent has no liability for problems with the contract.  </p>
<p>If your a considering an FSBO, call several real estate lawyers and find out how much it will cost for them to coordinate the entire transaction.  You will likely be surprised how much cheaper and more efficient the who process is.</p>
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		<title>By: Illusion-of-the-Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Illusion-of-the-Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2005 15:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

I&#039;ve never bought a FSBO, but if you find a great home, priced right, why not !! Protect yourself by getting a certified home inspector to inspect and bring a (3) general contractors to look at any repairs that need to be completed after receiving your home inspection.

Use the inspectors report to shave off thousands of dollars of legitamite, proven deficiencies. Have a Real Estate atty review the contract, and proceed.

I like the idea of getting the Owner to split the difference with you as-if-a-comission was being paid.
It&#039;s a win-win ( and no middle man)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never bought a FSBO, but if you find a great home, priced right, why not !! Protect yourself by getting a certified home inspector to inspect and bring a (3) general contractors to look at any repairs that need to be completed after receiving your home inspection.</p>
<p>Use the inspectors report to shave off thousands of dollars of legitamite, proven deficiencies. Have a Real Estate atty review the contract, and proceed.</p>
<p>I like the idea of getting the Owner to split the difference with you as-if-a-comission was being paid.<br />
It&#8217;s a win-win ( and no middle man)!</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do save a considerable amount of money going with a FSBO but if you didn&#039;t have a good friend who was a (good) broker, it&#039;s incredibly daunting (especially to a first time home buyer). The money saved is in the reduction of the commissions and how much the seller is willing to pass along to you. In your case, I don&#039;t know how much $20K is, as a percentage of the value; but I do know anytime you can save $20K you&#039;re coming out a winner. :)

I&#039;m glad the first comment is a positive FSBO because it&#039;s definitely an option, just a stressful one without the proper guidance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do save a considerable amount of money going with a FSBO but if you didn&#8217;t have a good friend who was a (good) broker, it&#8217;s incredibly daunting (especially to a first time home buyer). The money saved is in the reduction of the commissions and how much the seller is willing to pass along to you. In your case, I don&#8217;t know how much $20K is, as a percentage of the value; but I do know anytime you can save $20K you&#8217;re coming out a winner. <img src='http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad the first comment is a positive FSBO because it&#8217;s definitely an option, just a stressful one without the proper guidance.</p>
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		<title>By: Hazzard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hazzard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 03:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I purchased my home from someone without an agent on either side.  I did have the luxury of a good friend who was a broker.  He gave me all the electronic forms to fill out and gave me a few tips.  When it was all said and done, I wrote up an offer that was fair, but I also:

-Negotiated a lower price than current market value by agreeing to split the commission the buyer would have paid.  My rationale with the buyer was that I was taking a risk, and so was he.  The buyer agreed to split the potential commission.

After buying the house, I realized what a great deal I had gotten.  I bought the house for 20K below market, in fact the appraisal came in significantly higher when I got my loan.  All this being said, I would say that it was still stressful.  Once we agreed on the sales contract, it got a lot easier.  We both took the documents to escrow and it was fairly smooth sailing from there.

Hazzard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I purchased my home from someone without an agent on either side.  I did have the luxury of a good friend who was a broker.  He gave me all the electronic forms to fill out and gave me a few tips.  When it was all said and done, I wrote up an offer that was fair, but I also:</p>
<p>-Negotiated a lower price than current market value by agreeing to split the commission the buyer would have paid.  My rationale with the buyer was that I was taking a risk, and so was he.  The buyer agreed to split the potential commission.</p>
<p>After buying the house, I realized what a great deal I had gotten.  I bought the house for 20K below market, in fact the appraisal came in significantly higher when I got my loan.  All this being said, I would say that it was still stressful.  Once we agreed on the sales contract, it got a lot easier.  We both took the documents to escrow and it was fairly smooth sailing from there.</p>
<p>Hazzard</p>
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