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	<title>Comments on: Rebate Shenanigans &amp; Ethical Gray Areas</title>
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		<title>By: BillyOceansEleven</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/rebate-shenanigans-ethical-gray-areas.html/comment-page-1#comment-221174</link>
		<dc:creator>BillyOceansEleven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see nothing wrong with what you did. In fact, I would have suggested an even more questionable course of action. For anyone who does a lot of rebates, you know that these rebate processors mysteriously lose a disproportionate number of submissions, more than could possibly be explained by &quot;lost in the mail&quot;. Because they know it was probably their fault your rebate isn&#039;t in their system, most processors will allow you to &quot;resubmit&quot; your rebate by mail or fax. Some will even just take your information over the phone. 

So my suggestion in this situation would be to wait until the standard six to eight weeks have passed and call the 800 number on the form inquiring about the status of your rebate. When they tell you that they don&#039;t have it in their system, say that you sent it in and have copies of all of your submission materials. At this point they will probably give you a fax number or PO Box to &quot;resend&quot; your submission. Just send it to wherever they tell you and you&#039;re golden!

Some people may disagree with this, but as often as these rebate companies lose submissions and wrongfully deny claims, it is just fighting fire with fire in my book. You made the required purchase, so you should be able to claim your rebate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see nothing wrong with what you did. In fact, I would have suggested an even more questionable course of action. For anyone who does a lot of rebates, you know that these rebate processors mysteriously lose a disproportionate number of submissions, more than could possibly be explained by &#8220;lost in the mail&#8221;. Because they know it was probably their fault your rebate isn&#8217;t in their system, most processors will allow you to &#8220;resubmit&#8221; your rebate by mail or fax. Some will even just take your information over the phone. </p>
<p>So my suggestion in this situation would be to wait until the standard six to eight weeks have passed and call the 800 number on the form inquiring about the status of your rebate. When they tell you that they don&#8217;t have it in their system, say that you sent it in and have copies of all of your submission materials. At this point they will probably give you a fax number or PO Box to &#8220;resend&#8221; your submission. Just send it to wherever they tell you and you&#8217;re golden!</p>
<p>Some people may disagree with this, but as often as these rebate companies lose submissions and wrongfully deny claims, it is just fighting fire with fire in my book. You made the required purchase, so you should be able to claim your rebate.</p>
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		<title>By: hidden</title>
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		<dc:creator>hidden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big companies screw people all the time.......... way to hit them back</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big companies screw people all the time&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. way to hit them back</p>
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		<title>By: dong</title>
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		<dc:creator>dong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not directly related, but I think people also need to understand that companies would not be able to offer rebates as large as they do if people didn&#039;t screw up. So in the rebate game, it&#039;s not just about getting the benefits from the company, but benifiting from doing things on time vs those who don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not directly related, but I think people also need to understand that companies would not be able to offer rebates as large as they do if people didn&#8217;t screw up. So in the rebate game, it&#8217;s not just about getting the benefits from the company, but benifiting from doing things on time vs those who don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: pass</title>
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		<dc:creator>pass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 05:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technically speaking, IMO you&#039;re not &quot;rightfully entitled&quot; to a rebate if you don&#039;t meet the terms of the rebate offer.  You have to admit that it&#039;s less than honest to try to get the rebate as you described, notwithstanding the fact that rebates are actually traps set for unwary consumers; the company hopes you will fail to submit the rebate information on time.

You agreed to play the rebate game when you bought the product and submitted the rebate information.  Do I think this is a big deal?  Not really.  But I think there is no &quot;gray area&quot; in the situation you describe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technically speaking, IMO you&#8217;re not &#8220;rightfully entitled&#8221; to a rebate if you don&#8217;t meet the terms of the rebate offer.  You have to admit that it&#8217;s less than honest to try to get the rebate as you described, notwithstanding the fact that rebates are actually traps set for unwary consumers; the company hopes you will fail to submit the rebate information on time.</p>
<p>You agreed to play the rebate game when you bought the product and submitted the rebate information.  Do I think this is a big deal?  Not really.  But I think there is no &#8220;gray area&#8221; in the situation you describe.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any company who offers a rebate should be burned to the ground, or at least not purchased from if you happen to not be an arsonist. Seriously though, there&#039;s nothing wrong with what Jim did, companies like amazon have deals with shippers that make the cost very low, not to mention the Millions of dollars in profits they pull in every year. Do the large profits make it o.k. to screw them out of shipping costs....Absolutely. If amazon had a problem with it, they would not be selling products that they had to ship at all. If the rebate using companies did&#039;nt use shady tactics, this would not even be an issue. I mean come on, whats the difference if I send it in without sighing my name to the fourth line of the third photcopy under my initials from section 2 line.......you get the point. Bravo Jim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any company who offers a rebate should be burned to the ground, or at least not purchased from if you happen to not be an arsonist. Seriously though, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with what Jim did, companies like amazon have deals with shippers that make the cost very low, not to mention the Millions of dollars in profits they pull in every year. Do the large profits make it o.k. to screw them out of shipping costs&#8230;.Absolutely. If amazon had a problem with it, they would not be selling products that they had to ship at all. If the rebate using companies did&#8217;nt use shady tactics, this would not even be an issue. I mean come on, whats the difference if I send it in without sighing my name to the fourth line of the third photcopy under my initials from section 2 line&#8230;&#8230;.you get the point. Bravo Jim.</p>
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		<title>By: Adfecto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adfecto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are ethically fine.  

I did something similar but slightly different once with hard disk drives.  Retailer X is selling a hard drive for $200 with a $100 manufacturer&#039;s rebate and has a company price match policy.  Retailer Y is selling the same drive for $100 flat out (but possibly keeping the equivalent of the rebate themselves). 

What I did was purchase three hard drives from Retailer X and Retailer Y for $900 total.  The three of the drives where then returned (new &amp; unopened) to Retailer Y (refund of $300).  Next, I waited a few weeks until the current rebate promotion was over (but within the price match period) and went back to Retailer X, but this time I requested a price match using my receipt from Retailer Y to get the drives for the same $100 each I paid at the other store (refund of $300).  Finally I submitted the original $200 per hard drive receipt from X for the manufacturer&#039;s rebate to get the last $300 purchase price back.  All said and done I got three 200 gig hard drives and paid only the sales tax of about $30.  

In a way, Retailer X goofed up and was willing to price match a product even though it had a rebate a few weeks ago, but the clerk did it without hesitation.  They may have lost some money but that&#039;s the price they pay for having evil rebates and a price match policy (and clueless clerks).  

I wish you luck trying to guess which nationwide big box stores these were.  I&#039;ve heard that this type of thing is possible pretty regularly if you keep an eye out.  The way I got the idea was from a college roommate who heard about it from an online bargain website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are ethically fine.  </p>
<p>I did something similar but slightly different once with hard disk drives.  Retailer X is selling a hard drive for $200 with a $100 manufacturer&#8217;s rebate and has a company price match policy.  Retailer Y is selling the same drive for $100 flat out (but possibly keeping the equivalent of the rebate themselves). </p>
<p>What I did was purchase three hard drives from Retailer X and Retailer Y for $900 total.  The three of the drives where then returned (new &amp; unopened) to Retailer Y (refund of $300).  Next, I waited a few weeks until the current rebate promotion was over (but within the price match period) and went back to Retailer X, but this time I requested a price match using my receipt from Retailer Y to get the drives for the same $100 each I paid at the other store (refund of $300).  Finally I submitted the original $200 per hard drive receipt from X for the manufacturer&#8217;s rebate to get the last $300 purchase price back.  All said and done I got three 200 gig hard drives and paid only the sales tax of about $30.  </p>
<p>In a way, Retailer X goofed up and was willing to price match a product even though it had a rebate a few weeks ago, but the clerk did it without hesitation.  They may have lost some money but that&#8217;s the price they pay for having evil rebates and a price match policy (and clueless clerks).  </p>
<p>I wish you luck trying to guess which nationwide big box stores these were.  I&#8217;ve heard that this type of thing is possible pretty regularly if you keep an eye out.  The way I got the idea was from a college roommate who heard about it from an online bargain website.</p>
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		<title>By: Grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have done the same.  If they&#039;re going to offer rebates on their products, they should be ready to pony up when people do try to claim it.  Most people don&#039;t even bother sending things in, come on people, it&#039;s free money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have done the same.  If they&#8217;re going to offer rebates on their products, they should be ready to pony up when people do try to claim it.  Most people don&#8217;t even bother sending things in, come on people, it&#8217;s free money!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They say if you have to ask yourself whether it&#039;s right or wrong, it&#039;s probably not right.  That said, I&#039;d do the same thing (and I applaud your cleverness in securing the rebate).  So you&#039;re feeling a little twinge of guilt?  Just show Amazon some love to make up for it- keep doing business there, and recommend to your friends that they do as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They say if you have to ask yourself whether it&#8217;s right or wrong, it&#8217;s probably not right.  That said, I&#8217;d do the same thing (and I applaud your cleverness in securing the rebate).  So you&#8217;re feeling a little twinge of guilt?  Just show Amazon some love to make up for it- keep doing business there, and recommend to your friends that they do as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Tool Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tool Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say that altering the receipt would be unethical, but buying another one and returning to get the rebate is fine.  I wouldn&#039;t make it a habit though!  You still purchased a projector, that&#039;s the key point.  Amazon incurs a small restocking fee, sure.  Oh yea, they are a multi-billion dollar company.  Let&#039;s not forget about that before we try to protect them from the horrible restocking fee they incur.  I have heard that people will go to Best Buy and buy a widescreen TV for the big game, only to return afterwards.  Is this unethical?  Sure.  What about women (or men) who buy clothes for an event only to return them afterwards.  I think this is unethical as well.  These are blatant examples, but the projector one isn&#039;t as cut and dry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say that altering the receipt would be unethical, but buying another one and returning to get the rebate is fine.  I wouldn&#8217;t make it a habit though!  You still purchased a projector, that&#8217;s the key point.  Amazon incurs a small restocking fee, sure.  Oh yea, they are a multi-billion dollar company.  Let&#8217;s not forget about that before we try to protect them from the horrible restocking fee they incur.  I have heard that people will go to Best Buy and buy a widescreen TV for the big game, only to return afterwards.  Is this unethical?  Sure.  What about women (or men) who buy clothes for an event only to return them afterwards.  I think this is unethical as well.  These are blatant examples, but the projector one isn&#8217;t as cut and dry.</p>
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		<title>By: Finance Monk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finance Monk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CK was clearly being sarcastic. If this is the biggest ethical dilemma you&#039;re facing nowadays I think you&#039;re in the clear hehe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CK was clearly being sarcastic. If this is the biggest ethical dilemma you&#8217;re facing nowadays I think you&#8217;re in the clear hehe.</p>
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		<title>By: kay</title>
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		<dc:creator>kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee,
I think CK has made some harsh comments. Now was that totally necessary?  If Jim is dispicable, so is most of those dirty car salesmen that cheat most honest folks out of $1000&#039;s of dollars. Is that right? No but it&#039;s legal....
There is a blogger called &quot;World of Wealth&quot; and she just got played by the sellers&#039;s realtors. They told her the tenant was staying, when they knew all along she was leaving. Obviously they were looking for the sale. Are they wrong? Yes but they do it. 
I am coming to believe that this is what makes the world go round....
Would I have done it? Hmm if only I was that creative....lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee,<br />
I think CK has made some harsh comments. Now was that totally necessary?  If Jim is dispicable, so is most of those dirty car salesmen that cheat most honest folks out of $1000&#8217;s of dollars. Is that right? No but it&#8217;s legal&#8230;.<br />
There is a blogger called &#8220;World of Wealth&#8221; and she just got played by the sellers&#8217;s realtors. They told her the tenant was staying, when they knew all along she was leaving. Obviously they were looking for the sale. Are they wrong? Yes but they do it.<br />
I am coming to believe that this is what makes the world go round&#8230;.<br />
Would I have done it? Hmm if only I was that creative&#8230;.lol</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t worry too much about it. I think you&#039;re just saavy, not a criminal. Most people would not have been as creative!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t worry too much about it. I think you&#8217;re just saavy, not a criminal. Most people would not have been as creative!</p>
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		<title>By: dong</title>
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		<dc:creator>dong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the 3rd party involvement is important.  Why should they suffer for Epson&#039;s tricky tactics and Jim&#039;s creativity in getting around those tactics?  I don&#039;t think by saying it&#039;s part of the cost of business is an excuse.  Shoplifting is a cost of business, but that doesn&#039;t make it OK.  I&#039;m not comparing Jim&#039;s action to shoplifting.  However, I do think we have to think about who bears the costs of these actions.   This is not a major ethical crisis by any stretch of the imagination, but I think we should at least try to hold ourselves to highest of standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the 3rd party involvement is important.  Why should they suffer for Epson&#8217;s tricky tactics and Jim&#8217;s creativity in getting around those tactics?  I don&#8217;t think by saying it&#8217;s part of the cost of business is an excuse.  Shoplifting is a cost of business, but that doesn&#8217;t make it OK.  I&#8217;m not comparing Jim&#8217;s action to shoplifting.  However, I do think we have to think about who bears the costs of these actions.   This is not a major ethical crisis by any stretch of the imagination, but I think we should at least try to hold ourselves to highest of standards.</p>
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		<title>By: CK</title>
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		<dc:creator>CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim-  I don&#039;t know if I can ever read your blog again.  After reading this post I&#039;ve realized what a low and despicable human being you are.  Personally I consider anyone who even claims a rebate a cheat and a liar who should be jailed.  -CK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim-  I don&#8217;t know if I can ever read your blog again.  After reading this post I&#8217;ve realized what a low and despicable human being you are.  Personally I consider anyone who even claims a rebate a cheat and a liar who should be jailed.  -CK</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that this is very ethical.  Amazon ends up losing in this deal.  I&#039;d be more willing to doctor the date on the receipt than get Amazon mixed up in the problem.  More than likely though, I would have taken the $300 hit and learned my lesson about sending in rebates on time.   Since you asked...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that this is very ethical.  Amazon ends up losing in this deal.  I&#8217;d be more willing to doctor the date on the receipt than get Amazon mixed up in the problem.  More than likely though, I would have taken the $300 hit and learned my lesson about sending in rebates on time.   Since you asked&#8230;</p>
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