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		<title>By: Meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please tell me whether you consider it ethical to return a mattress that we purchased 10 months ago from Costco. It is a memory foam mattress that had some defects when we first got it. We communicated with the company about a replacement mattress but the defects (e.g.hump in the middle) resolved itself after about 3 months. I have always hated the mattress because it is much too hard. My husband likes it and really has no incentive to help me move the 120 lb. mattress down three flights of stairs. The reason for the delay is that I cannot move it myself. I would like to replace the king size mattress for two twin mattresses from costco. Is this moral/ ethical/ honest? I would rather take the hit than be dishonest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please tell me whether you consider it ethical to return a mattress that we purchased 10 months ago from Costco. It is a memory foam mattress that had some defects when we first got it. We communicated with the company about a replacement mattress but the defects (e.g.hump in the middle) resolved itself after about 3 months. I have always hated the mattress because it is much too hard. My husband likes it and really has no incentive to help me move the 120 lb. mattress down three flights of stairs. The reason for the delay is that I cannot move it myself. I would like to replace the king size mattress for two twin mattresses from costco. Is this moral/ ethical/ honest? I would rather take the hit than be dishonest.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good point!</description>
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		<title>By: Skyler McNasty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skyler McNasty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once had a meeting with a VP of Merchandising at Costco (he was one of 3 who oversee the buying team for the entire chain) as they were interested in buying a product my company manufacturers.  He made a comment regarding the Costco return policy that has always stuck with me...he said (and I paraphrase)...&quot;You can buy your fiance a diamond ring here and then 5 years later if you get a divorce you can return it for a full refund or if you are still married you can return it for a full refund and get her a bigger diamond.&quot;  Based on this why would anybody consider making a purchase anywhere but at Costco.  This policy is about creating customer loyalty and it clearly has been successful.  A minority of people abuse the policy, but it gives the majority the peace of mind that making your purchases (especially your major purchases) at Costco is a wise investment as they will stand behind what they sell.  To top it off, nearly every vendor who sell to Costco (or other large chain stores) are already giving them a couple of percentage points in discount to cover any returns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once had a meeting with a VP of Merchandising at Costco (he was one of 3 who oversee the buying team for the entire chain) as they were interested in buying a product my company manufacturers.  He made a comment regarding the Costco return policy that has always stuck with me&#8230;he said (and I paraphrase)&#8230;&#8221;You can buy your fiance a diamond ring here and then 5 years later if you get a divorce you can return it for a full refund or if you are still married you can return it for a full refund and get her a bigger diamond.&#8221;  Based on this why would anybody consider making a purchase anywhere but at Costco.  This policy is about creating customer loyalty and it clearly has been successful.  A minority of people abuse the policy, but it gives the majority the peace of mind that making your purchases (especially your major purchases) at Costco is a wise investment as they will stand behind what they sell.  To top it off, nearly every vendor who sell to Costco (or other large chain stores) are already giving them a couple of percentage points in discount to cover any returns.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynbad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynbad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is an old thread but I feel the need to comment. I work for a small company who was once a supplier for costco. We supplied lamps and home accessories.  Our company pulled from being a costco supplier  nearly a year ago due to the chargebacks by the costco to suppliers on returns.  Costco&#039;s return policy does not hurt them, they simply charge back the vendor. 

Our company, which is a small company regularly saw return chargebacks after a year for reasons like &quot; wrong color&quot;. Come on , it takes a year to decide the lamp is the wrong color or did someone paint their house and this lamp no longer fits in their decor. Today we received a return authorization for which our company will be charged for (costco will send us a bill since we no longer have any items listed with them) for two lamps that &quot; doesn&#039;t light anymore&quot; from Northridge , Ca.  These lamps were purchased 1 1/2yrs prior to their return.

My first question was why would two lamps quit working at the same time. Power surge, lightening strike? Then it occured to me that California has had a rash of wildfires that may have burned through wires and created a power surge. So I go to the trusty internet and lookup wildfires Northridge, Ca. What do you know, the search results turn up an article and vivid pictures of a wildfire that raged through the Northridge , Ca area on 10/13/2008 and we received a chargeback and RTV (return to vendor) authorization on 10/31/2008. Coincidence or blatant abuse of a generous return policy. 

Now the company I work for will be charged back for the cost of the two lamps as well as the shipping for lighting that a costco customer enjoyed for 1 yr and 8 months until wildfire caused their demise. That would not be covered by the most liberal of warranties, yet it will cost us money. 

How this kind of behavior can be ethical, i don&#039;t understand. Yet costco doesn&#039;t care because it doesn&#039;t cost them anythign in their bottom line. They simply pass the cost off to their suppliers because they don&#039;t care about their bottom line. There are enough small companies out there that if one goes out of business they will just find another.  Costco sale people mislead our company on the rate of returns and they make everything sound very beneficial to the small supplier to lure them in. However if it had been really profitable we would still be selling to them. After two years we found that their return rate was much higher than we had be lead to beleive and in far to many cases they were returns after extended periods of time for &quot;wrong color&quot; or &quot;didn&#039;t like&quot; as reasons. 

Costco&#039;s return policy may be great for consumers, however not good for small vendors at all.  Unfortunately, being on the supplier side of this coin we have learned to try to avoid clients with the &quot;costco mentality&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is an old thread but I feel the need to comment. I work for a small company who was once a supplier for costco. We supplied lamps and home accessories.  Our company pulled from being a costco supplier  nearly a year ago due to the chargebacks by the costco to suppliers on returns.  Costco&#8217;s return policy does not hurt them, they simply charge back the vendor. </p>
<p>Our company, which is a small company regularly saw return chargebacks after a year for reasons like &#8221; wrong color&#8221;. Come on , it takes a year to decide the lamp is the wrong color or did someone paint their house and this lamp no longer fits in their decor. Today we received a return authorization for which our company will be charged for (costco will send us a bill since we no longer have any items listed with them) for two lamps that &#8221; doesn&#8217;t light anymore&#8221; from Northridge , Ca.  These lamps were purchased 1 1/2yrs prior to their return.</p>
<p>My first question was why would two lamps quit working at the same time. Power surge, lightening strike? Then it occured to me that California has had a rash of wildfires that may have burned through wires and created a power surge. So I go to the trusty internet and lookup wildfires Northridge, Ca. What do you know, the search results turn up an article and vivid pictures of a wildfire that raged through the Northridge , Ca area on 10/13/2008 and we received a chargeback and RTV (return to vendor) authorization on 10/31/2008. Coincidence or blatant abuse of a generous return policy. </p>
<p>Now the company I work for will be charged back for the cost of the two lamps as well as the shipping for lighting that a costco customer enjoyed for 1 yr and 8 months until wildfire caused their demise. That would not be covered by the most liberal of warranties, yet it will cost us money. </p>
<p>How this kind of behavior can be ethical, i don&#8217;t understand. Yet costco doesn&#8217;t care because it doesn&#8217;t cost them anythign in their bottom line. They simply pass the cost off to their suppliers because they don&#8217;t care about their bottom line. There are enough small companies out there that if one goes out of business they will just find another.  Costco sale people mislead our company on the rate of returns and they make everything sound very beneficial to the small supplier to lure them in. However if it had been really profitable we would still be selling to them. After two years we found that their return rate was much higher than we had be lead to beleive and in far to many cases they were returns after extended periods of time for &#8220;wrong color&#8221; or &#8220;didn&#8217;t like&#8221; as reasons. </p>
<p>Costco&#8217;s return policy may be great for consumers, however not good for small vendors at all.  Unfortunately, being on the supplier side of this coin we have learned to try to avoid clients with the &#8220;costco mentality&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill  D</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/return-policy-ethics.html/comment-page-1#comment-119043</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill  D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you see no problem at all trying to return something you bought 4 YEARS ago for a full refund?????

I appluad the manager that had the intestinal fortitude to deny you. You were satisfied with it for the 1st year? 2nd year? 3rd year? then after that, you want all your money back? hmmm. We still have a bike that we bought for my 10 year old from 2004. It no longer is the right size for her, should I take it back?

&quot;despite the fact that I am still a member in good standing, I had the receipt and all of the equipment looked as if it were new.&quot; you mean despite the fact that it does not have all the bells and whistles that the newer units have? It is a 2003 model product! 


It is people like you that caused them to change the store policies. you should be ashamed of yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you see no problem at all trying to return something you bought 4 YEARS ago for a full refund?????</p>
<p>I appluad the manager that had the intestinal fortitude to deny you. You were satisfied with it for the 1st year? 2nd year? 3rd year? then after that, you want all your money back? hmmm. We still have a bike that we bought for my 10 year old from 2004. It no longer is the right size for her, should I take it back?</p>
<p>&#8220;despite the fact that I am still a member in good standing, I had the receipt and all of the equipment looked as if it were new.&#8221; you mean despite the fact that it does not have all the bells and whistles that the newer units have? It is a 2003 model product! </p>
<p>It is people like you that caused them to change the store policies. you should be ashamed of yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thoughts here.  However, I have one question.  It seems like everyone is drawn to Costco&#039;s liberal return policy but no one thinks that it should be used.  Why?  If this policy is costing Costco more money than it brings in they would have changed it.  But thats not the case.  People are buying more than ever and Costco&#039;s bottom line looks good because the prices are right and people think that they will be able to retun anything they are not &quot;100% satisfied with&quot;.  However, Costco&#039;s return policy seems to be up to the whim of the employee that you happen to run into should you be unfortunate enough to need hold Costco up to thier end of the bargain.      

I have been a member for many years for the very reason that most other folks are... good prices and a great protection against defective merchandise.  I recently tried to return a home theater system that died after 4 years of VERY light use and was told that they would not accept it despite the fact that I am still a member in good standing, I had the receipt and all of the equipment looked as if it were new.  I tried to explain to 3 people including the assistant store manger that there was a 100% satisfaction guaranteed retrun policy.  The response that I recieved from all of them was perplexing.  They all pointed repetedly at the sign on the wall that says 100% satisfaction guaranteed and said thats our return policy, we cant accept this.  When I pressed them for where it excludes my non-operational equipment that I am &quot;not satified with&quot; they continued to point lamely at the sign and told me &quot;thats the policy, we cannot accept this.&quot;  Now, I understand that 4 years is a good bit of time to return something.  However, If Costco means to prohibit folks from returning items they buy after a certian period they should state that specifically in the warranty.  However, Costco has only restricted computer returns and nothing else by my understanding. 

So what is Costco&#039;s real return policy?  100% satifaction guaranteed?  It certainly doesnt seem so.  I sounds like they have the tendency to adjust the policy as they see fit.  

I should also add that I am not a serial returner.  The only other thing that I have returned was something that was the wrong size.  That item was simply exchange for the correct one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thoughts here.  However, I have one question.  It seems like everyone is drawn to Costco&#8217;s liberal return policy but no one thinks that it should be used.  Why?  If this policy is costing Costco more money than it brings in they would have changed it.  But thats not the case.  People are buying more than ever and Costco&#8217;s bottom line looks good because the prices are right and people think that they will be able to retun anything they are not &#8220;100% satisfied with&#8221;.  However, Costco&#8217;s return policy seems to be up to the whim of the employee that you happen to run into should you be unfortunate enough to need hold Costco up to thier end of the bargain.      </p>
<p>I have been a member for many years for the very reason that most other folks are&#8230; good prices and a great protection against defective merchandise.  I recently tried to return a home theater system that died after 4 years of VERY light use and was told that they would not accept it despite the fact that I am still a member in good standing, I had the receipt and all of the equipment looked as if it were new.  I tried to explain to 3 people including the assistant store manger that there was a 100% satisfaction guaranteed retrun policy.  The response that I recieved from all of them was perplexing.  They all pointed repetedly at the sign on the wall that says 100% satisfaction guaranteed and said thats our return policy, we cant accept this.  When I pressed them for where it excludes my non-operational equipment that I am &#8220;not satified with&#8221; they continued to point lamely at the sign and told me &#8220;thats the policy, we cannot accept this.&#8221;  Now, I understand that 4 years is a good bit of time to return something.  However, If Costco means to prohibit folks from returning items they buy after a certian period they should state that specifically in the warranty.  However, Costco has only restricted computer returns and nothing else by my understanding. </p>
<p>So what is Costco&#8217;s real return policy?  100% satifaction guaranteed?  It certainly doesnt seem so.  I sounds like they have the tendency to adjust the policy as they see fit.  </p>
<p>I should also add that I am not a serial returner.  The only other thing that I have returned was something that was the wrong size.  That item was simply exchange for the correct one.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One individual who posted said, &quot;If the company allows returns without question, then I think it is ethical.&quot;  I beg to differ. What Costco has said all of these years is that they&#039;ll allow you to return items without question because they trust you.  NO MORE. They&#039;ve been burned by lack of ethics too many times, and are now saying by their new return policy, &quot;Sorry society, but you have proven that we can&#039;t trust all of you&quot;.   Too bad that 10% of our society ruins it for the remainder of us who attempt to live right.  Did any of these people who return 2 year old electronics with no good reason ever say to themselves, &quot;is this not stealing?&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One individual who posted said, &#8220;If the company allows returns without question, then I think it is ethical.&#8221;  I beg to differ. What Costco has said all of these years is that they&#8217;ll allow you to return items without question because they trust you.  NO MORE. They&#8217;ve been burned by lack of ethics too many times, and are now saying by their new return policy, &#8220;Sorry society, but you have proven that we can&#8217;t trust all of you&#8221;.   Too bad that 10% of our society ruins it for the remainder of us who attempt to live right.  Did any of these people who return 2 year old electronics with no good reason ever say to themselves, &#8220;is this not stealing?&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a long time stock holder and advocate for Costco, I see both sides of the argument here. That being said, when the company first started, this type of return policy was plausible mostly because you had to qualify to become a member! This type of screening kept a large portion of the general public to only dream of being a member and those that were members were typically proud to be such and treated the company and its property almost as though it was it&#039;s own. In general, you had a higher class of shopper. Now you have three ways to qualify...cash, check or Amex and it has brought in a different mix of clientel. Since qualification for membership is no longer mandatory, of course sales have gone up, but so has hidden shrink and overall operating costs. Does profit increase exponentially? I don&#039;t have access to the books to know, but I do know it was a more pleasant shopping experience when membership was a priveledge, not a right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a long time stock holder and advocate for Costco, I see both sides of the argument here. That being said, when the company first started, this type of return policy was plausible mostly because you had to qualify to become a member! This type of screening kept a large portion of the general public to only dream of being a member and those that were members were typically proud to be such and treated the company and its property almost as though it was it&#8217;s own. In general, you had a higher class of shopper. Now you have three ways to qualify&#8230;cash, check or Amex and it has brought in a different mix of clientel. Since qualification for membership is no longer mandatory, of course sales have gone up, but so has hidden shrink and overall operating costs. Does profit increase exponentially? I don&#8217;t have access to the books to know, but I do know it was a more pleasant shopping experience when membership was a priveledge, not a right.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 04:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have yet to return something to Costco but intend to return a TV because the bulb blew out on it.  It will cost about 300 dollars to replace but I bought it of the floor and when I brought it home it kept turning off after viewing it for longer than a few hours.  Now it wont turn on at all.  So all in all I intend to use that money toward another T.V. there at Costco.  I think they make the most of their return policy in that people will not hesitate to buy those big purchases from them knowing that if they have a problem they can return it without the hassle that other stores give.  Not to mention that we pay to shop there.  It&#039;s the least they could do for paying members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have yet to return something to Costco but intend to return a TV because the bulb blew out on it.  It will cost about 300 dollars to replace but I bought it of the floor and when I brought it home it kept turning off after viewing it for longer than a few hours.  Now it wont turn on at all.  So all in all I intend to use that money toward another T.V. there at Costco.  I think they make the most of their return policy in that people will not hesitate to buy those big purchases from them knowing that if they have a problem they can return it without the hassle that other stores give.  Not to mention that we pay to shop there.  It&#8217;s the least they could do for paying members.</p>
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		<title>By: Deanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we just returned a projection TV tonight that we bought in 2002 for $1700. Not only did they give us a full credit, but offered to give us a full REFUND.

We looked at each other like &quot;What??&quot; and decided to return the TV, because 4 yrs for a $1700 TV is not that long. The TV crapped out on us this past weekend.

We exchanged it for a Plasma at Costco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we just returned a projection TV tonight that we bought in 2002 for $1700. Not only did they give us a full credit, but offered to give us a full REFUND.</p>
<p>We looked at each other like &#8220;What??&#8221; and decided to return the TV, because 4 yrs for a $1700 TV is not that long. The TV crapped out on us this past weekend.</p>
<p>We exchanged it for a Plasma at Costco.</p>
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		<title>By: nicolas</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicolas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Costco isnt&#039; all THAT ethical. In Puerto Rico the company only honors a 90-day return policy, though the customer service staff on the phone insists that the no-limit policy still applies. I&#039;ve shopped at Costo in PR for years, so I know the policy well. I&#039;ve complained to customer service about the dishonesty, but they just smirk.

Also, Costco is one of the companies that has municipalities use eminent domain against other property owners so they can get the land to build new clubs. That is the issue that was covered in the hot-button case before the Supreme Court, &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._New_London&quot;&gt;Kelo vs New London&lt;/a&gt;.

[EDIT: moved the URL into the link]

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Costco isnt&#8217; all THAT ethical. In Puerto Rico the company only honors a 90-day return policy, though the customer service staff on the phone insists that the no-limit policy still applies. I&#8217;ve shopped at Costo in PR for years, so I know the policy well. I&#8217;ve complained to customer service about the dishonesty, but they just smirk.</p>
<p>Also, Costco is one of the companies that has municipalities use eminent domain against other property owners so they can get the land to build new clubs. That is the issue that was covered in the hot-button case before the Supreme Court, <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._New_London">Kelo vs New London</a>.</p>
<p>[EDIT: moved the URL into the link]</p>
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		<title>By: Benjiman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjiman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought the Vizio 37&quot; LCD over xmas of 05 and am very happy with the price and the TV.  But now (3 mos later) the TV has dropped in price by $100.  I asked the clerk at Costco if they had some kind of price protection policy.  He said to return it and buy it again at the $100 savings, kind of a hassle in my opinion.  It would be easier if they just gave me my $100, a friend purchased a piece of exercise equip online at Costco.com and soon after the purchase he rec&#039;d a credit to his credit card...when he phoned costco.com they said there was a price drop and the money credited was the difference in the new price...I guess they only price protect online  and maybe only for a certain amount oif time.  

When I had asked my question to the clerk about the TV, there was some Asian kid there telling me he was going to buy an XBOX 360 play it for a while and return it...to me, that way of thinking is completely messed up...and is ABUSE.  Who is raising these kids?...THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH...just because there are loopholes doesn&#039;t mean we should slide through them everytime (that&#039;s what makes sleazy lawyers... sleazy).  Look at carpool lanes, they were intended for commuter carpools (to encourage carpooling), now any joker with his 5 year old or even pregnant women consider themselves 2 people (ABUSE).  As a result the  carpool lane is now slower than normal traffic lanes, if people would use things as intended (a carpool van full of employees going to the same workplace) and in moderation the world would work more fluidly and be a better place for all.

I&#039;m not saying that you can&#039;t return things, just have a legitimate reason, and don&#039;t use it to your advantage or profit.  Do it in moderation, or it will surely be ruined for all.  A prime example is the Costco computer return policy that had to be implemented to combat ABUSE by complete losers.  That&#039;s what EBAY is for people...if you don&#039;t like it...sell it to someone else who will.  Just because we have frredom of speech in this country doesn&#039;t mean I can or should say anything I want at anytime, laws had to be put on the books to clarify freedom of speech&#039;s limitations.  People with no self control and loophole sliders are the reason for the huge amount of rules (clarifying and limiting simple concepts for idiots and abusers) and more rules make for a unhappy existence for all.  We need rules, just simple ones that all will follow and understand instead of trying to find a way around them (so childish) requiring more rules to clarify and limit the rules in place.  There will always be loopholes, it is the responsiple adult who chooses to abide by the intention of the policy within reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought the Vizio 37&#8243; LCD over xmas of 05 and am very happy with the price and the TV.  But now (3 mos later) the TV has dropped in price by $100.  I asked the clerk at Costco if they had some kind of price protection policy.  He said to return it and buy it again at the $100 savings, kind of a hassle in my opinion.  It would be easier if they just gave me my $100, a friend purchased a piece of exercise equip online at Costco.com and soon after the purchase he rec&#8217;d a credit to his credit card&#8230;when he phoned costco.com they said there was a price drop and the money credited was the difference in the new price&#8230;I guess they only price protect online  and maybe only for a certain amount oif time.  </p>
<p>When I had asked my question to the clerk about the TV, there was some Asian kid there telling me he was going to buy an XBOX 360 play it for a while and return it&#8230;to me, that way of thinking is completely messed up&#8230;and is ABUSE.  Who is raising these kids?&#8230;THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH&#8230;just because there are loopholes doesn&#8217;t mean we should slide through them everytime (that&#8217;s what makes sleazy lawyers&#8230; sleazy).  Look at carpool lanes, they were intended for commuter carpools (to encourage carpooling), now any joker with his 5 year old or even pregnant women consider themselves 2 people (ABUSE).  As a result the  carpool lane is now slower than normal traffic lanes, if people would use things as intended (a carpool van full of employees going to the same workplace) and in moderation the world would work more fluidly and be a better place for all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that you can&#8217;t return things, just have a legitimate reason, and don&#8217;t use it to your advantage or profit.  Do it in moderation, or it will surely be ruined for all.  A prime example is the Costco computer return policy that had to be implemented to combat ABUSE by complete losers.  That&#8217;s what EBAY is for people&#8230;if you don&#8217;t like it&#8230;sell it to someone else who will.  Just because we have frredom of speech in this country doesn&#8217;t mean I can or should say anything I want at anytime, laws had to be put on the books to clarify freedom of speech&#8217;s limitations.  People with no self control and loophole sliders are the reason for the huge amount of rules (clarifying and limiting simple concepts for idiots and abusers) and more rules make for a unhappy existence for all.  We need rules, just simple ones that all will follow and understand instead of trying to find a way around them (so childish) requiring more rules to clarify and limit the rules in place.  There will always be loopholes, it is the responsiple adult who chooses to abide by the intention of the policy within reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Nav</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/return-policy-ethics.html/comment-page-1#comment-5226</link>
		<dc:creator>Nav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been reading various comments issued on numerous website about Costco&#039;s return policy. Its no doubt THE best and because of its extreme generous nature, people get this tendency to abuse it. I took Costco&#039;s membership couple of months back and the return policy was surely one of the MAJOR reasons of taking the membership( not that I had any dubious intentions, but just a plain security sense that the purchased product will last for a long time!!). I recently bought an electronic stuff for arnd $400 from Costco and thought lets try it, and if I don&#039;t like it, I will return it. Well, I used it, liked it and planning to get a LCD TV real soon. Bottomline, in almost most of the cases, the return policy is there to make sure that its not a screwed up item. I am very sure Costco had some issues with couple of shady returns, but I seriously think the amount of good publicity they get because of it, completely outweighs its negative effects. Now its like cult thing...and people never abuses when they like it from the bottom of their heart. I am just a recent member, but I know its going to be a long journey!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading various comments issued on numerous website about Costco&#8217;s return policy. Its no doubt THE best and because of its extreme generous nature, people get this tendency to abuse it. I took Costco&#8217;s membership couple of months back and the return policy was surely one of the MAJOR reasons of taking the membership( not that I had any dubious intentions, but just a plain security sense that the purchased product will last for a long time!!). I recently bought an electronic stuff for arnd $400 from Costco and thought lets try it, and if I don&#8217;t like it, I will return it. Well, I used it, liked it and planning to get a LCD TV real soon. Bottomline, in almost most of the cases, the return policy is there to make sure that its not a screwed up item. I am very sure Costco had some issues with couple of shady returns, but I seriously think the amount of good publicity they get because of it, completely outweighs its negative effects. Now its like cult thing&#8230;and people never abuses when they like it from the bottom of their heart. I am just a recent member, but I know its going to be a long journey!!</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/return-policy-ethics.html/comment-page-1#comment-5035</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted this on the other thread and will edit it to match this one:


I am a manager at Costco and have worked in returns and RTV which is the department in charge of TRYING to get credit on returned items. I say trying because costco does not get credit for every item we sell. A more realistic number is 65% of the products currently in stock and 30% on deleted items. We do not receive credit on most appliances and half of all electronics we carry. All items that we do not get credit on we salvage to companies for 25 cents on the dollar which means when we take back a $2000 plasma we get $500 for it. Seeing as how our profit margin runs at 10% it will take you spending $15,000 to make up for what we lose. Yes we are aware that people abuse our policy and when they have excessive returns we do put a stop to it. But considering most of our warehouses have 40,000-120,000 members the amount of people doing this is very small. Unfortunately as technology progresses along with prices we are losing more and more money. A new tv return policy is in the works aimed at around 2 years. You are correct when you realize that the irresponsible behavior of the few will make it harder for the majority of the good.


Costco guarantees all of our products to be high quality and feel free to return items that you try and dont like, are the wrong size, spoiled, defective etc. We are here to make sure you are satisfied with the items you purchase but that does not mean you can be unsatisfied with an item that lasts you 5+ years. Here are some general guidelines depending on usage:
Appliances 3-5 years
Most consumer electronics including tvs, video games, stereos 2 years
Computers 6 months
Clothing 1 year unworn
Media 6 months unopened, 1 month opened for damaged product (we are not blockbuster)

Hope I helped some of you out.

p.s. for the question asked in number 13, look up your local law, you will see that buying an item and returning it for more money is indeed fraud and while one may get away with on a small item a few times, if you try on a larger item you can be prosecuted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted this on the other thread and will edit it to match this one:</p>
<p>I am a manager at Costco and have worked in returns and RTV which is the department in charge of TRYING to get credit on returned items. I say trying because costco does not get credit for every item we sell. A more realistic number is 65% of the products currently in stock and 30% on deleted items. We do not receive credit on most appliances and half of all electronics we carry. All items that we do not get credit on we salvage to companies for 25 cents on the dollar which means when we take back a $2000 plasma we get $500 for it. Seeing as how our profit margin runs at 10% it will take you spending $15,000 to make up for what we lose. Yes we are aware that people abuse our policy and when they have excessive returns we do put a stop to it. But considering most of our warehouses have 40,000-120,000 members the amount of people doing this is very small. Unfortunately as technology progresses along with prices we are losing more and more money. A new tv return policy is in the works aimed at around 2 years. You are correct when you realize that the irresponsible behavior of the few will make it harder for the majority of the good.</p>
<p>Costco guarantees all of our products to be high quality and feel free to return items that you try and dont like, are the wrong size, spoiled, defective etc. We are here to make sure you are satisfied with the items you purchase but that does not mean you can be unsatisfied with an item that lasts you 5+ years. Here are some general guidelines depending on usage:<br />
Appliances 3-5 years<br />
Most consumer electronics including tvs, video games, stereos 2 years<br />
Computers 6 months<br />
Clothing 1 year unworn<br />
Media 6 months unopened, 1 month opened for damaged product (we are not blockbuster)</p>
<p>Hope I helped some of you out.</p>
<p>p.s. for the question asked in number 13, look up your local law, you will see that buying an item and returning it for more money is indeed fraud and while one may get away with on a small item a few times, if you try on a larger item you can be prosecuted.</p>
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		<title>By: ericlp</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/return-policy-ethics.html/comment-page-1#comment-4481</link>
		<dc:creator>ericlp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well.......

I was shopping for a TV.  So, I go to my costco...  And being a noob.  I ask, the dude on the floor next to the TV&#039;s.  &quot;If I purchase this TV...  How long do I get to bring it back if it doesn&#039;t turn on?&quot;  He told me 5-6 years!!! Whoooa... I went to other places like sears/Best buy and for the same tv with a 3 year service agreement it would have cost about 400.00 more then what costco had.  

Needless to say I bought the TV from Costco.  The TV is working great and it&#039;s been about 2 years.  I guess... In my mind... I wouldn&#039;t feel bad returning this TV in 3 years if it crapped out on me.  But I wouldn&#039;t return it 4-6 years later.  I don&#039;t think that is reasonable.   I dunno, if the employee&#039;s say you can bring it back in 5 - 6 years....... What is the real deal here?  Unless I just got bad info?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>I was shopping for a TV.  So, I go to my costco&#8230;  And being a noob.  I ask, the dude on the floor next to the TV&#8217;s.  &#8220;If I purchase this TV&#8230;  How long do I get to bring it back if it doesn&#8217;t turn on?&#8221;  He told me 5-6 years!!! Whoooa&#8230; I went to other places like sears/Best buy and for the same tv with a 3 year service agreement it would have cost about 400.00 more then what costco had.  </p>
<p>Needless to say I bought the TV from Costco.  The TV is working great and it&#8217;s been about 2 years.  I guess&#8230; In my mind&#8230; I wouldn&#8217;t feel bad returning this TV in 3 years if it crapped out on me.  But I wouldn&#8217;t return it 4-6 years later.  I don&#8217;t think that is reasonable.   I dunno, if the employee&#8217;s say you can bring it back in 5 &#8211; 6 years&#8230;&#8230;. What is the real deal here?  Unless I just got bad info?</p>
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