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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/social-lending-network-guide.html/comment-page-1#comment-304132</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 19:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also went with prosper and I do not recommend that anyone go with the social lending networks.  I&#039;ve lost over 3/4 of what I &quot;invested&quot; and probably won&#039;t get that last quarter either.  Stick with cds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also went with prosper and I do not recommend that anyone go with the social lending networks.  I&#8217;ve lost over 3/4 of what I &#8220;invested&#8221; and probably won&#8217;t get that last quarter either.  Stick with cds.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/social-lending-network-guide.html/comment-page-1#comment-301117</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lent with Prosper before they began their &quot;quiet period&quot; and I&#039;ve been sorely disappointed as have most other lenders I talk to on the Prosper forums. About 20% of my loans have defaulted, several others are late, and Prosper has broken many promises regarding its collection process. I think I&#039;ll be lucky to even see my principal money back by the end of this.

Can&#039;t say I&#039;m sorry I tried it out, but can&#039;t say I&#039;d do it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lent with Prosper before they began their &#8220;quiet period&#8221; and I&#8217;ve been sorely disappointed as have most other lenders I talk to on the Prosper forums. About 20% of my loans have defaulted, several others are late, and Prosper has broken many promises regarding its collection process. I think I&#8217;ll be lucky to even see my principal money back by the end of this.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m sorry I tried it out, but can&#8217;t say I&#8217;d do it again.</p>
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		<title>By: BrewCrewFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrewCrewFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post.  The banks have shown how challenging it can be to profitably underwrite loan in this environment.  I&#039;m going to sit on the sidelines until I can these programs develop a longer track record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post.  The banks have shown how challenging it can be to profitably underwrite loan in this environment.  I&#8217;m going to sit on the sidelines until I can these programs develop a longer track record.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/social-lending-network-guide.html/comment-page-1#comment-300879</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also curious to see where P2P lending goes in light of the current economic situation. I&#039;m confident in LendingClub, but I wonder if current mistrust in banks will cause a rise in P2P lending or have folks keep their distance. LendingClub seems to have reasonable safeguards in place to prevent defaults, but as with everything else, there&#039;s no absolute guarantee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also curious to see where P2P lending goes in light of the current economic situation. I&#8217;m confident in LendingClub, but I wonder if current mistrust in banks will cause a rise in P2P lending or have folks keep their distance. LendingClub seems to have reasonable safeguards in place to prevent defaults, but as with everything else, there&#8217;s no absolute guarantee.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/social-lending-network-guide.html/comment-page-1#comment-300704</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 00:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What kind of returns can be expected from investing in Pertuity Direct&#039;s fund? According to this site the average interest rate of the loans is 13.5%.

Is the return on investment simply this 13.5% minus the expense ratio of 1.63% for the first year and 2.83% thereafter?

see also </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What kind of returns can be expected from investing in Pertuity Direct&#8217;s fund? According to this site the average interest rate of the loans is 13.5%.</p>
<p>Is the return on investment simply this 13.5% minus the expense ratio of 1.63% for the first year and 2.83% thereafter?</p>
<p>see also</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/social-lending-network-guide.html/comment-page-1#comment-300596</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip on the note trading platform being available to all states Amy.  I wanted to give Lending Club (and Prosper when it comes out of it&#039;s quiet period) a shot but went with Pertuity Direct due to location restrictions.  (I live in N.C.)  I&#039;m not investing much either but I would like to compare the services because they seem to take a different approach.

Also, eBay owns a fantastic little company called MicroPlace that is very similar to kiva.org but offers interest.  There is no charge to fund an account through PayPal either.  I have been &quot;donating&quot; (I feel like a loan that is tied up for years without interest is more like a donation even if you do receive it back) to kiva for a few years but discovered MicroPlace recently and decided to move my socially responsible investments there due to the interest that is possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip on the note trading platform being available to all states Amy.  I wanted to give Lending Club (and Prosper when it comes out of it&#8217;s quiet period) a shot but went with Pertuity Direct due to location restrictions.  (I live in N.C.)  I&#8217;m not investing much either but I would like to compare the services because they seem to take a different approach.</p>
<p>Also, eBay owns a fantastic little company called MicroPlace that is very similar to kiva.org but offers interest.  There is no charge to fund an account through PayPal either.  I have been &#8220;donating&#8221; (I feel like a loan that is tied up for years without interest is more like a donation even if you do receive it back) to kiva for a few years but discovered MicroPlace recently and decided to move my socially responsible investments there due to the interest that is possible.</p>
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		<title>By: RobertD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobertD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds nice, but is it?

Firstly the rates they are charging are higher then those of banks.  So how do they get the best borrowers, you would have to be stupid to knowingly pay more money just to avoid a bank.

Second the default rates they claim seem low.  Canadian banks, (Canada has stricter banking laws) assume higher default rates.

What do collections cost?  If you have ever placed an unsecured debt for collection, you would realize that when the economy was good you wold only collect 50%, so what do you think will happen today.

Try to sell those loans when the economy turns around, and interest rates raise.  Just like trying to sell a low interest bond during high interest times you sell them for a discount.

For assuming zero risk these people are getting a great spread, every bit as good as a bank gets on three year money.

I know these comments are rather negative, but someone needs to point out the downside or you fall into dangerous traps.

If you ask me a bunch of bankers have figured out a way to bank without assuming any risk.

Remember if you do not know everything about any investment you should avoid it.  Personal unsecured lending is the highest risk type of lending there is, and thus the highest risk investment you could take.

There are all sorts of low risk bonds and solid stocks that in the log run will return every bit as well.  And at today&#039;s price there are bargains to be had.  Short term greed can lead to long term pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds nice, but is it?</p>
<p>Firstly the rates they are charging are higher then those of banks.  So how do they get the best borrowers, you would have to be stupid to knowingly pay more money just to avoid a bank.</p>
<p>Second the default rates they claim seem low.  Canadian banks, (Canada has stricter banking laws) assume higher default rates.</p>
<p>What do collections cost?  If you have ever placed an unsecured debt for collection, you would realize that when the economy was good you wold only collect 50%, so what do you think will happen today.</p>
<p>Try to sell those loans when the economy turns around, and interest rates raise.  Just like trying to sell a low interest bond during high interest times you sell them for a discount.</p>
<p>For assuming zero risk these people are getting a great spread, every bit as good as a bank gets on three year money.</p>
<p>I know these comments are rather negative, but someone needs to point out the downside or you fall into dangerous traps.</p>
<p>If you ask me a bunch of bankers have figured out a way to bank without assuming any risk.</p>
<p>Remember if you do not know everything about any investment you should avoid it.  Personal unsecured lending is the highest risk type of lending there is, and thus the highest risk investment you could take.</p>
<p>There are all sorts of low risk bonds and solid stocks that in the log run will return every bit as well.  And at today&#8217;s price there are bargains to be had.  Short term greed can lead to long term pain.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/social-lending-network-guide.html/comment-page-1#comment-300566</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 02:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that&#039;s kiva.org.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that&#8217;s kiva.org.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/social-lending-network-guide.html/comment-page-1#comment-300565</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 02:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny, your last paragraph mentions your interest in this because of the current bank situation -- that&#039;s exactly what interests me the most about this.  When one system fails to meet the needs of society and the marketplace, another system can step into its place.  I want to be part of that.  

Lending Club is not offered in my state, either, but residents of all states can participate in the note trading platform.  (I live in Michigan.)  I just got my account funded and now I can start building the portfolio.  I&#039;m not investing a lot, either.  I want to see how it goes.  But this really connects you more to borrowers than any other method I know.  (Other than direct personal loans, of course, but that&#039;s a whole different game.)

If you want to get into this from a charity point of view, there is a website called kiva.com that does microloans to people in developing countries.  You don&#039;t get interest, so it&#039;s not really an investment opportunity, but it works on a similar principal, and the intent is that you would get your money back in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny, your last paragraph mentions your interest in this because of the current bank situation &#8212; that&#8217;s exactly what interests me the most about this.  When one system fails to meet the needs of society and the marketplace, another system can step into its place.  I want to be part of that.  </p>
<p>Lending Club is not offered in my state, either, but residents of all states can participate in the note trading platform.  (I live in Michigan.)  I just got my account funded and now I can start building the portfolio.  I&#8217;m not investing a lot, either.  I want to see how it goes.  But this really connects you more to borrowers than any other method I know.  (Other than direct personal loans, of course, but that&#8217;s a whole different game.)</p>
<p>If you want to get into this from a charity point of view, there is a website called kiva.com that does microloans to people in developing countries.  You don&#8217;t get interest, so it&#8217;s not really an investment opportunity, but it works on a similar principal, and the intent is that you would get your money back in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Young Cash Cow</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/social-lending-network-guide.html/comment-page-1#comment-300549</link>
		<dc:creator>Young Cash Cow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to learn more about this. Being a lender with one of these companies sounds risky, but could have a huge payoff if people are dependable. Once I have a good chunk of change at my disposal, I may just try this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to learn more about this. Being a lender with one of these companies sounds risky, but could have a huge payoff if people are dependable. Once I have a good chunk of change at my disposal, I may just try this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Miss M @ M is for Money</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/social-lending-network-guide.html/comment-page-1#comment-300537</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss M @ M is for Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just funded my first loans with Lending Club last week, it was fun sorting through borrowers and deciding which ones I wanted to lend to. I&#039;m not investing much, just a little play money on the side. We&#039;ll see how these first loans do before I add more money. I chose only borrowers with really good credit, no delinquencies etc. This meant lower rates, I think the weighted average was around 10%. It sure beats the 1.5% ING is now paying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just funded my first loans with Lending Club last week, it was fun sorting through borrowers and deciding which ones I wanted to lend to. I&#8217;m not investing much, just a little play money on the side. We&#8217;ll see how these first loans do before I add more money. I chose only borrowers with really good credit, no delinquencies etc. This meant lower rates, I think the weighted average was around 10%. It sure beats the 1.5% ING is now paying.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like a loan, the only option is to go into collections. The idea is that you diversify your loans so that the ones that don&#039;t fail will compensate you for the ones that do, giving you an effective interest rate that matches your level of risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like a loan, the only option is to go into collections. The idea is that you diversify your loans so that the ones that don&#8217;t fail will compensate you for the ones that do, giving you an effective interest rate that matches your level of risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Fyffe</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/social-lending-network-guide.html/comment-page-1#comment-300516</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Fyffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LendingClub sounds like a great opportunity but a very high risk. I&#039;d love to see big gains on my money but I just don&#039;t know how comfortable I feel lending my money out to complete strangers. Are there any fallback options if a personal fails on you to get some of your money back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LendingClub sounds like a great opportunity but a very high risk. I&#8217;d love to see big gains on my money but I just don&#8217;t know how comfortable I feel lending my money out to complete strangers. Are there any fallback options if a personal fails on you to get some of your money back?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s a good alternative to bank loans too.</description>
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