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Star Trek: How We Will Abolish Money
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My wife and I are avid fans of Star Trek (no surprise there right?). Having grown up watching Star Trek: The Next Generation and continuing on to Deep Space Nine and even a little Voyager, but recently we’ve been watching the four seasons of Star Trek Enterprise. It’s the one with Scott Bakula as Captain Jonathan Archer of the NX-1 Enterprise (there it is to the right) and the only one set in the near future. I have no idea how the seasons were received when they aired but we’re really enjoying them because it’s not set hundreds of years into the future, only a hundred and fifty. In future Earth, we’ve developed warp drives, transporters (though we’re not comfortable using them), and have made contact with alien species (no universal translator, just a really good translator).
One of the interesting aspects about Star Trek is how it treats money. Even a mere 150 years into the future, there is no concept of money. People do their jobs because they take pride in their work, satisfaction in their accomplishments, and work hard because they don’t want to let down their peers or their society but receive no monetary compensation. While they get all of their needs satisfied (food, shelter, entertainment), no one is saving for retirement because there’s nothing to save.
It was always difficult for me to see the logical jump from society today to anytime in the future where money is obsolete. Entire industries exist solely because money exists (mortgages, finance, banking to name a few) and you can bet your last dollar they’ll do anything it takes to make sure money keeps on existing. So how are we supposed to get from our money driven world to one where money has no meaning?
By having social norms overtake market norms. It’s an idea I first read in Predictably Irrational. In one of the chapters of Predictably Irrational, Dan Ariely talks about how in the workplace we’ve replaced a bit of the market norms with social norms. In the days of Ford and the assembly line, workers punched in and punched out. They worked for the paycheck, trading in their time, effort, and expertise for money. It was a clear trade, punctuated by the sound of time card machines. As we’ve moved away from a labor based economy to a service based economy, social norms have begun to replace market norms.
I have friends who work 40+ hours a week but are compensated for only forty, the extra being spent “to get the job done right.” I routinely worked a few hours over forty myself to get the job done because I didn’t want to let my team down (I was very fortunate to be on very strong teams that didn’t find ourselves under the gun or behind on deadlines). I didn’t work those extra hours out of the goodness of my heart but I also didn’t do it for direct compensation. I worked those hours because I knew I had an obligation to both the project’s clients and my teammates. It was the social norms, not the market norms that compelled me, and so many others, to work without direct monetary compensation.
It’s an interesting idea and while it clearly doesn’t explain everything, it’s the first time I’ve read of an idea that will even take us in that direction. Eventually social norms can overtake market norms, a social support infrastructure will be put into place, and we’ll have abolished money, developed warp drives, met alien species, and find ourselves cruising among the stars!
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It all boils down to energy. In that future, energy is easily changed into matter, so just plug in your replicator and voila! You can change electrical energy into dollars, or gold, or lobster tails, or whatever you want. Then the theory of diminishing returns starts to come into play…and FAST! If you had one machine that could change any form of energy into matter of any type, why would you need to retire, why would you need more gold, why would you go to a bank, or a restaurant, or any retail store?
Once we can ever figure out a way to make the change from matter to energy to matter to energy to matter … all bets are off. Until then, we will continue to have money of some sort.
Actually in Archer’s time, there were no replicators, hence having a chef. Energy was cleaner thanks to the discovery of controlled anti-matter reacion but the conversion of energy to matter was barely in it’s infancy.
I am now going to take a suicide pill for knowing that…
Doesn’t this have a shade of communism?
Soviets/Russians have been successful with their space program. Perhaps the reward of money is not always necessary when there are clear higher rewards like going where no one has gone before.
yeah it does have a shade of communism but Russia isn’t communist anymore and there is no soviet union.
In other news we cant abolish money, as if a man who is CEO of a huge company working 20 hour days gets the same benifits as a street cleaner what is the incentive to work hard and innovate?
The USSR was never communist to begin with.
True communism is far too advanced for Earths societies to live by.
Despite what Trekkies may say, the Fderation is true communism. And it aint bad at all.
Though I personally would prefer a Star Wars type universe than Trek.
Love both though
Nah, i would not like a tyrannical empire of evil supervillans ruling over society with an iro fist, wait, i just described the Bush administration.
Communism, like capitalism, is a moneytary based society, so no it isnt communism. Its a resource based economy
As said in the article, people should work hard with the benefit of the society in mind and not just themselves. We live in a selfish, materialistic society so people can’t grasp the concept of working without material reward. If people find something that they love to do, they’ll do it without complaint and if it makes other people happy, that’s even better. Money, contrary to what we believe today, hinders progress my friend.
Seems as if I’ve heard of this before. Oh, that’s right, Karl Marx and the Communist Manifesto. No thanks. Hardwork needs to be rewarded, else there is no need to strive to work hard. Just my two cents.
Do you know how long I’ve worked my butt of at my job? Do you think my employers care about anything except how much they can wring out of me?
Hard work is never rewarded and is barely compensated for. Doing great things that you were never expected to, are what you and everyone else should be doing.
Of course, if you’re a selfish bastard, our current economic system is perfect. That’s why we need to teach people the right way to do things, not the way that earns THEM the most.
. . . and unfortunately survive a 3rd world war.
Ah! Utopian Society.
When Jamestown was first settled it was to be “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need”. Didn’t work out too well, then; Not sure we’ve advanced enough now!
I also just read of an Engineer in Japan who officially died of “overwork”. Guess social norms got the best of him.
Since the beginning of civilization, people trade their labor for goods and services, whether it be cattle, wheat, tulips, gold or paper money. I cannot think of any time in history where people worked for the sheer joy of it and were taken care of according to their needs. Wait a minute….perhaps slavery in the Old South qualified….but who wants to do that! (Like “Animal Farm,” some animals are better than others….) Society of the future may not have “money” per se but will have to give something to reward the fruits of their labor. After all, man does not live by “atta boys” alone!
What did the crew do with the “money” they always seemed to be playing cards for?
I’m with Ron on this–it’s all about energy. With nearly unlimited energy, the market value if labor would drop significantly. If this happened in a somewhat gradual or controlled manner, the market value could be replaced by social value (to follow along with Jim’s theory).
Interesting discussion here.
If you follow Maslow, it always seems like the people on Star Trek have had almost all their lower needs fulfilled and are striving towards self-actualization, or becoming what they can be.
In the way of money: I agree with the earlire commenters that energy will have to become ridiculously cheap, and the other costs of living will have to become ridiculously cheap.
I partially disagree with the commenter about hard work having to be rewarded; it does not have to be rewarded with money. Academia, for example, pays comparatively lower but the people work for prestige and reputation, same thing on the interwebs. People put in a ridiculous amount of work to create things and put them online for free, and not always for the financial reward.
The way I see it going down is such: Technology increases help cause costs of living go down, basic cost of living functions are absorbed into the government, which, though inefficient, there’s enough to leave things in its hands (extrapolating from the long-term trend over the last century of social insurance, medicare, universal health care in Canada, welfare, etc.) Perhaps there will be some sort of food stamp system where you can go pick what you’d like to have, within a certain amount of things. Money will still exist but will really be only used to buy luxury or exotic items, so if you wanted a big box of swiss chocolates, you could go for it, with your own cash. Eventually, once money becomes immaterial to actual existence of people, the other industries built upon money will just disappear, and money will eventually disappear, too.
However, human beings seem built to be incentive/goal-driven, and as Star Trek suggests, I believe that human beings will start exploring various spaces (we’re also hardwired to explore), including our own psyches as well as outer space, and so forth, for the sake of their own actualization and for the respect and admiration of others.
Of course, I don’t expect of this to happen for another few hundred years, and if the North American civilization goes down, as all do; the process may be delayed or changed. Also, if they invent a thingy that converts energy into any sort of matter as in Star Trek, that’ll also change the situation radically.
Money is an evolved solution for a huge variety of problems, and it will have to evolve into the next stage where it no longer exists. Does this sound like socialism/communism? I was somewhat shocked to realize that it does, but then realized that trying to force this to happen wouldn’t work, but you have to let it evolve on its own.
I think if we take the energy into matter bit plus maslow’s hierarchy, with social transactions replacing market/money transactions, we can see a path towards a world in which money isn’t necessary the medium of exchange.
I do agree that hard work must be rewarded but I’m with RT, it’s not always necessarily with money and my example of my friends who worked 40+ hrs a week but only get paid 40 is in line with this. They are “paid” in reputation, camaraderie, and greater future salary raises.
Also, just because money doesn’t “exist” doesn’t mean that a proxy for it doesn’t exist. We are increasingly living in a world in which money is abstracted and is merely a number on a screen.
Star Trek has never reflected well the reality of our self centered existence. We crave money for many reasons; but at the end, we’re selfish. Without money, we’d be left struggling for something else over our fellow men… We might crave control, or power, or status, or popularity.
Star Trek reflects the ideal of communism – everyone is almost always content in their position, with their level of power, status, and popularity (and energy, per the earlier discussion). We know in practice, however, that “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need” never works. In the remaining communist countries in the world that don’t allow the free hand of the market to move, other self-centered forces drive them just the same – its just not as clear as capitalism, that benefits from the best possible way to allocate scarce resources.
Everyone else caught it already – but I was going to say… have you been sharing notes with Karl Marx? haha
The Ferengi(sp?) were always after some sort of money or profit….
I have just started getting into the ST:Enterprise with Scott Bacula and it is pretty good.
(Ron@WisodmJournal is right on the money with his comment about energy.) The “logical leap” from where we are today to a trek-style money-less society has little to do with logic and more to do with sheer technological innovation.
It’s all about the replicators. If they were a ubiquitous feature of our present realities, money as a concept would not survive.
Obviously, with a replicator you can just make whatever you want and never need to buy anything ever. Under such conditions, money naturally becomes obsolete. There are also the problems that counterfeiting would pose to maintaining a post-replicator money system.
Money is both abstract labor AND abstract scarcity. The replicator transcends both and all meanings of money. There is no need to complicate the accounting of symbolic exchange when all commodities invariably come from one common source, in this case, the energy that powers the replicator.
Eliminate scarcity and money will become useless. Fighting scarcity with more money will create more scarcity.
Well, one thing that you might want to buy is energy, but if the governing system supplies enough for all of the population (or you can recycle your scrap with a high efficiency), then I would see no need for money in everyday life.
It seems like you forgot (or don’t know) what happened in the Star Trek universe that lead the mankind to this sort of paradise when you just do your work just because you like it.
Before all that, in 2024 (or so) there was overpopulation and famine, and the civil rights were suspended. The United States created the “Sanctuary Districts” (see episode “Past Tense” from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine) and there were riots and violence. And some decades later there was a 3rd world war, with nuclear exchange… Anyway, there was a time of suffering and hard working before mankind achieve this. Many efforts were dedicated to the starship construction (as an answer to the unemployment problem), and everyone had to put the best just for surviving.
Then Cochrane discovered the warp drive, and because of this we were first contacted for the Vulcans, who shared technology with earth and helped mankind.
And besides it’s true energy is cheap in the future, sometimes it isn’t. From wikipedia:
“Also on Voyager, the ship’s energy constraints on the journey back to the Alpha Quadrant meant that replicator supplies had to be strictly controlled, leading to “replicator rations” becoming an unofficial ship currency. This is also the reason Neelix (aside from providing the crew with a morale boost through the preparation of fresh food) became employed as the ship’s chef. Ingredients came from the ship’s hydroponics laboratory.”
So, as you can see, it was not that easy as saying “mmm… it sounds like communism”.
Money and debt have become invisible chains, turning a population of supposedly free people into indentured servants.
Free energy exists and is being suppressed by the international banking bloodlines.
Until people rise up as one, with open eyes and minds, technology and quality of life will continue to be suppressed.
“My country is the world, and my religion is to do good.” -someone not me
I agree with John, we should be living heavenly at the present state of technologies but being in hell because of supid money.We should have credit cards with giga or tera bytes of memories recording all our transactions so that every amount of credit can be verified and intelligent programs to watch out for the anomalies. Many things can be incorporated in to the master programs.Our selfish and stupid fallacy of survival of the fittest animals caused us unending miseries.Social sabotaging compettitive edges have to change in to cooperative edges for the survival of mankind.Limiting resources force us to rationing and control the populations growth.Standardization of education,healthcare,mass transportation and practically abolish private vehicles will reduce much of the need to get rich quick and thus helping us to get closer to idea of working for the benefit of mankind and myself.We need to get rid of money manipulators,profit oriented economy and move to the sustainable economy living for others and ourselves. Justice Love and Courage must be the main ingredients of economy rather than stupid money. To go on like present motives as to be ignorantly free w/o much responsibilities ,to win all or lose all through compettitive edges causes all of us a satanic way of life and that is a living hell.We are so monstrously powerful and capable of destroying ourselves we need to be intelligent enough not to let fallacies decieve us to become sons of satan. Those many elites and leaders of the world are taking advantages n decieving us and themselves thinking they will win all .Competition will make us all losers .With the destruction of our civilization ,we shall not have Star Trek generation.We need intelligent managements and preserve our civilization which is certainly not stupid money which facilitate satanic acts.
This will all come about naturally if/once there is free, infinitely abundant energy because energy means work, means money.
Those who are interested in the concept of abolishing money should watch the free internet movie called Zeitgeist: Addendum.
It’s an eye-opener.
There is a way for us to end money, and even if we don’t chose to end money as humanity it’s going to have to go.
Because, as technology continues on it’s path of automation the need for a human labor force will be continually diminished and people wont be able to obtain money to support the economy.
I suggest considering the Zeitgeist Movement, which is a social organisation with over 250,000 members and will (by our current growth rate) have over 1 million members by 2010. We advocate a Resource-based Economy.
It probably all sounds confusing to you, but it’s well worth investigating this possibility of a better future for humanity. Go to TheZeitgeistMovement.com
You people need to stop watching so damn much tv. Go on! Go outside and play…GIT!
Hey what about Deep Space 9?
Quarks Bar? There is money in Star Trek and those who are very interested in it.
Sort of an oddity is Quarks Bar.
Why pay for a drink when you can replicate it?
While Star Trek talks about there being no money or pay in some episodes they clearly pay for things in other episodes. In Star Trek they have vacation worlds; in ST:NG they have vacation worlds, purchases, owned land, and negotiate with aliens; in ST:DS9 they have Quark’s bar, the commander’s father’s restaurant, and deal with traders from the other quadrant; in ST:E we don’t see pay, but we do see them buying things. Only in Voyager do we see a real lack of money, and that’s even hinted at in the opening show with references to ownership of land.
So yes, ideology was grand, but even Roddenberry couldn’t figure out how to avoid showing buying and selling, not to mention ownership.
And energy has never been the key to money. Land has always been the key. You can make more energy, you can make energy cheaper, you can not make more land, you can only find more habitable planets. Which in Star Trek probably have people on it. Even in ST:NG Picard was talking to his brother about plans to raise the seabed to make more land and how he would get some of it.
As both an economist and an avid Star Trek fan, my friends (also Trekkies) would ask how can we make the switch to not having money. The real problem here is not that you are working only for money, but that money and prices determine how valuable things are to society.
Here is a good sci-fi example. You have a someone who wants to be a scientist. It is his life’s goal, but he is terrible at math and because of this handicap he works his whole life never producing anything of interest or value. Should he be able to have such a high standard of living? He doesn’t contribute anything to society.
Also, even with transporter technology, there will still be scarcity (only so much of everything to go around) so does everyone who wants one get a galaxy class star ship. Who doesn’t get one? Does the scientist get one?
Money solves this problem via prices, prices tell us how valuable things are. Without something to replace the price mechanism this system could not work.
And to answer a few posts above, it is also the major hurdle to communism, even assuming perfect morals.
As has been stated before, money is not the only commodity in the universe. Rank was basically the Star Trek way of determining who got what. You earned rank by proving yourself, just as you would at any job.
I think that people fail to realize that, in the future, almost every person will be raised and educated properly. There will be few psychological issues and people will not covet or fear things nearly as much as they do now.
The basic outline of Star Trek is that people’s curiosity and desire to become more than they are, is what truly causes us to evolve. If all mankind thinks about is survival and gratification, we’ll never live in a Utopian society. Ironic isn’t it?
Don’t forget that in all the ST series we are dealing with a military unit. The closest contemporary situation is probably that of a nuclear submarine crew on a long mission (although not as long as Enterprise’s “5 year mission to boldly go…”).
In this situation all normal needs are met without the need for a medium of exchange.
Only in DS9 do we see the civilian support infrastructure and so there we see Quark’s bar.
I suspect that outside the military there would be some form of allowing replicator credits above subsistence level as a reward for work.
Money is not the problem. Money if used properly is an excellent tool in measuring the value of human weath (good and services). What damages our system is the 6000+ year old system of charging for the use of it. Money interest must be abolished and a new modern system instituted. With a modern money system free of interest the humans on earth will be able to not only do an excellent job managing the earth. They will also become excellent managers of our Solar System and begin steps to interact with older more advanced creatures in the Almighty God’s Creation
Money was an excellent idea in the past when humans lived in real scarcity, but nowadays scarcity is faked for profit. There IS NO scarcity. Money is the source of the problem. All other problems associated with money are symptoms of the system. Money serves those who have lots of it and not people who dont. Essentially, money creates elitism.
Abolish money, abolish crime….. just because it hasn’t been supported in the past, due to the criminals who expoit it for control, removing money from the human condition will solve all the problems that it allows. War, crime, murder, etc… yes it will open up new circumstances but to be afraid to choose to do so is not a reason not to try. Money = walls between humans and we can never become one for the benefit of all until this happens. All arguements against are from those who fear change and are spineless greedy who stand to lose all the wealth they have gathered. Just beacuse you worked so hard to get all you have only means you played the game and were good at it, but it doesn’t mean your a good human. And it doesn’t mean that your ideas are best or should even be heard, Money allows bad things to continue and bad people with bad ideas to be heard. Its time to start over and wipe the slate clean so the human race can move on forward away from the senseless separating conditions money allows.
One more note, those who still use the argument of Socialism, Marxism, Communism, and any of the like… are those who should not be contribuiting to any discussions whatsoever. Keep your closed, shallow, narrow minded mouth shut, just because you have this fear and are ignorant, to higher thinking only means you have a long way to go to become evolved. Stay in your cellar and keep teaching the this fear with your nose in the bible, ha ha there are still people who believe in the bible, or educate your self, grow your brain, and become welcomed into the world of the intelligent.
The human Race will never truly evolve until the need for money is subsided. If you think back about two hundred or so years ago, people didn’t invent the things that make our lives better for money or recognition… they invented them so they would do what they do: MAKE OUR LIVES BETTER. From the telephone to the toothpick, to the modern day bathroom the the great United States of America, all these were created for the sole purpose of the betterment of mankind. Bell didn’t create the phone to get paid, he invented it so he didn’t need to get his lazy ass up go into the next room to tell his buddy to get him another beer.Duh! lol All joking aside, the reason we haven’t landed on Mars yet is because it costs about $10,000 for a bolt and $20,000 for a screw. MONEY GETS US NOWHERE. And yes, I have a lot of it…
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Money isnt a natural resource, neither does it represent one. It is made out of thin air, instantly making it fraudulent. At this current time we have the technology, know-how, and resources for things like space exploration, 4000 mph maglev trains, fully automated production, clean geothermal energy, electric cars, buildings that unpack and build theirselves using memory alloy, fully automated food production, and so much more. The problem is we don’t have the money. Money acts as a barrier to these resources that are so abundant they should really have no monetary value. Money creates the need to compete with each other. This leads to stealing, war, poverty, violence and probably close to 95% of the worlds problems. Also about 95% of laws will become obsolete with no money.
The reason governments and corporations dont allow for clean energy, electric cars, sustainability, efficiency, and abundance is because its not profitable. Corporations plan obsolescence because its profitable. This is simply inefficient and wasteful.
As soon as the world pressures the governments into a phasing out money the sooner we will be free.
As long as we don’t convert to bartering (money in another from) abolishing money and replacing it with a meritocratic volunteer society is the utopia that has eluded Humanity for thousands of years. If a man had invented cancer and heart disease it would not have been as ruinous to Humanity as a man who had invented money.
Even today there are people all over the world tending to staring children in the Horn of Africa, rescuing earthquake victime who work for pittance, where money has no relevance, the motive is purely humanitarian. The act of charitable giving is another example that we CAN do it.
I believe Humanity has to accept that money was a tragic wrong turn in human history (as was religion but that’s another story) and start all over again. You have to do it carefully to ensure that unlike communism people cannot live without incentive and some form of comparative reward otherwise nobody would ever bother to excel and secondly you need a way of deciding who gets extra material reward in a way that does not provoke protest. As soon as poissble you computerize it such that its done on exact caluclation. And you also have to prevent people from taking more resources than they need without some Draconian rationing regime setting in. Thirdly you need a stick following behind to stop others from being idle happy in the knowledge that they geed all the necessities that they need. Lastly you must maintain all the sacred human rights of freedom of speech and protest, of information and democracy. Politics will however lose a lot of its meaning also because all politics has EVER been about is “Who pays how much for what” and in order for a meritocratic moneyless society to work you need the State to be as small as possible which it inherently would become without money. The only bureaucrats are those who monitor what needs to be produced and who gets extra reward. You would have to replace the zillions of people currently working in banking, insurance, personal loans and mortgages, trading and broking, foreign exchange – there would be no more financial services industry.
The best way to start such a system is in a microcosmic way so that these above mentioned problems are encountered on a microcosmic scale, can be more rigorously studied and more easily solved, like a project. You start with a small group of skilled people who can provide the key necessities – construction, food, building supplies and healthcare. They freely set up a miniature society to offer their skills for the benefit of each other. The farmer provides food aplenty first so we can all eat. Then the constructors set to work building nice homes to a minimum standard for all. In turn they get treated for any illness by the doctor, their children get educated by the teacher and the doctor and teacher get nice homes built. There must be no bartering -that’s just money again leading to all the crime and envy that goes with it. The doctor and teacher’s services are froever available and the builder gets any and all food he wants forever so there need be no comparative value by what he provides to what others provide.
So ultimately we have a row of fine houses for all to live in. As there’s no money there is no restriction on how nice the houses can be so that this society is not infested with rotten housing estates and run down areas. They are all luxurious homes of an agreed minimum standard in terms of size/space, decor, style and facilities. Now that everyone has been built such a home the car maker is happy to provide everyone transport, the interior designer gets to work, the furniture maker and the weaver to make us all a variety of clothes. It just goes on from there.
To propel society forward you need one more carrot – a recognition of Excellence. For that student who excels in their studies, for the researcher who makes a stunning breakthrough, for the volunteer who works over and above what they officially do. That needs a bureaucracy and consensus. In the microcosmic example the miniature community have a periodic meeting where they all agree that John has excelled – saved someone who was falling off a ladder, developed a brilliant sewer system, whatever and merits special reward. John, like eevryone has already registered what he would liek his special reward to be were he to earn it. No money. So it’s provided by whatever skilled people it takes. Special condieration is given to those who conserve, who take strictly only what they need and waste the least. There shoudl be a Conservation Award handed out ofn a regular basis. That way society moves forward in technology and living standards. It is therefore important that while the minimum standard of home be luxurious by today’s standards (like a 3 storey galleried town home) there be more luxurious homes made and more upmarket food stores for those who simply work and don’t lay up idle. While they still get all the basics, the idle only get that. Quickly they will be looked down upon in society. Those who work hard, get promoted have special luxury Cards issued by the hierarchy that entitle them to eat at the finest restaurants, take their provisions from more upscale stores and drive nicer cars. You can have three or more levels of cards – the layabouts don’t even have a card. Pretty soon there’ll be few if any of them especially if they were born after this society was universal. Only those who used to live in a world of money might be layabouts. They’ll die out soon enough. Antisocial people, truants, yobs, thugs and muggers, drug dealers, burglars only exist because of money and most abusive husbands and parents only do also. Drunkenness, Rape and crimes of passion are about the only crimes I can think of that would inherently exist in this society without any secret police or barbaric punishments. Naturally if convicted these are recorded on your Card.
In our society such fundamental change only comes with cataclysmic crisis forcing society to think again. The debt crises afflicting the world today hasten that time. When capitalism crashes, as it is on the brink of doing, people will realize that we have exhausted every ideology on the entire political spectrum from communism through the fascism and every moderate position and combination in between and they have all failed. Only then will they see that the problem is not ideology, it is money. I believe that money was the single worst invention mankind ever made and that had he not done so and just helped each other by now we would be colonizing other star systems and living to 150. I beleve that had a hyper-advanced alien race visited earth 100,000 years ago at the Dawn of Man and noticed the emergence of the human species they would we utterly shocked to revisit the planet now and see how little distance it has come. After over 100,000 years of evolution and 30,000 years since we stopped being nomads and settled 8 out of 10 on the planet are starving or under-nourished, disease stricked, living in shanty towns, poverty, oppression or war zones. It is an absolutely despicable state of affairs and a rotten performance by a species that could have been so much more. Money and Religion are both responsible for this anaemic growth in human society. The above deals with one. We have to start humanity all over again and simply accept that we went wrong – very very wrong.
Oh I love your post and couldn’t agree with you more. The point about ‘Recognition’ is very important. And recognition and higher privileges should not only be accorded to those who excelled but also to those who accept to do menial, unpleasant or rigorous jobs – like clearing garbage or cleaning public toilets or caring for the terribly sick. Also, there should be a system of de-recognition for those that fall from grace – because success can go the heads for many and abrasive behaviour spawns disharmony that in turn leads to one upmanship. But with a system of recognition/de-recognition we could ensure right balance in human behaviour. I think too that we could start creating a miniature society on experimental basis where for the time being that a sponsor or the government could back.
i agree that money needs to go the way of the doe doe .the goverments need to be forced to realize this, with the abolishment of money the possiblity of a single world goverment, made up of senitors from each country being elected through democratic means will be achiveable. then the people as a whole will benifit from a war free, poverty free, money free world
Money is needed. You can’t tell me some guy is going to spend 8 to 12 hours a day fixing cracks in a sewer infested with roaches, rats, and other sorts of disgusting creators all the while walking through tons of bodily waste all for the betterment of man kind.
All I know is, I need some money desperately. Anyone want to give me some money?
I have been mulling over this idea for a few years now. It just one day occurred to me that money had outlived it’s purpose.
Like minded people should get together and refine our ideas to propose a solid, clear and practical alternative to a money driven society.
Money less economy (MLE) is a very clear and practical alternative.
You work free and get everything free. You want a big house, you get it free. You want to travel – it is free. Need a corporate jet, that is free too. All you have to ensure that you work 40 hours a week free.
We can run the exact same economy, without money. Just go to work where you are going now. Do whatever you are doing. At the end of the week you get a check in your bank for 40 hours. Use that to buy anything you want. It does not reduce. Next week the number gets updated to 40 again.
Today we do not need to see money. Everything is done electronically. So we do not know what is happening in the computer. We do not know what is that number. So, you change that number to 40 hours. And trust it, just like we are trusting our credit cards and bank accounts.
There is no need to convert 40 hours and multiply it by an hourly rate. Or you can think of hourly rate of $1/hr.
In return to your work you get food and shelter and anything you want.
Perfect economy. For more details see my blog site createmoneylesseconomy (MLE). Or you can write to me at subhendu dot das at excite dot com.