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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/surprise-peer-to-peer-lending-is-risky.html/comment-page-1#comment-367517</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like p2p lending but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s based on &quot;prejudice.&quot; I just think it&#039;s a bad idea. I also don&#039;t lend money to strangers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like p2p lending but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s based on &#8220;prejudice.&#8221; I just think it&#8217;s a bad idea. I also don&#8217;t lend money to strangers.</p>
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		<title>By: John Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/surprise-peer-to-peer-lending-is-risky.html/comment-page-1#comment-367513</link>
		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim seems a mite prejudiced against p2P lending for some reason. I love the comment &quot;lending money to random people on the internet is an absolutely horrible idea&quot;, which sums up the attitude quite well.

I&#039;m not sure how lending money to people over the web differs from any other type of unsecured lending. Lenders look at the same information - credit score, job, pay, debt to income ratio. It&#039;s the quality of underwriting that counts - how fussy you are about borrowers and how carefully the information they give you is checked. Doesn&#039;t matter if it&#039;s over the web, telephone or in person at the local bank. It seems to me that Prosper dropped the ball in the underwriting department. LendingClub looks considerably better, IMHO. But time will tell. There&#039;s no problem with P2P, but there may be a problem with how well it has been executed so far (and let&#039;s face we have only had a couple of companies with limited lending experience try this).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim seems a mite prejudiced against p2P lending for some reason. I love the comment &#8220;lending money to random people on the internet is an absolutely horrible idea&#8221;, which sums up the attitude quite well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how lending money to people over the web differs from any other type of unsecured lending. Lenders look at the same information &#8211; credit score, job, pay, debt to income ratio. It&#8217;s the quality of underwriting that counts &#8211; how fussy you are about borrowers and how carefully the information they give you is checked. Doesn&#8217;t matter if it&#8217;s over the web, telephone or in person at the local bank. It seems to me that Prosper dropped the ball in the underwriting department. LendingClub looks considerably better, IMHO. But time will tell. There&#8217;s no problem with P2P, but there may be a problem with how well it has been executed so far (and let&#8217;s face we have only had a couple of companies with limited lending experience try this).</p>
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		<title>By: molotri</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/surprise-peer-to-peer-lending-is-risky.html/comment-page-1#comment-346546</link>
		<dc:creator>molotri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 03:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
I have 19 loans in prosper, no defaults yet. My strategy is to lend to people with a grade of B or better, amounts lower than 5000 and a nice rate of course!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I have 19 loans in prosper, no defaults yet. My strategy is to lend to people with a grade of B or better, amounts lower than 5000 and a nice rate of course!</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Samurai</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/surprise-peer-to-peer-lending-is-risky.html/comment-page-1#comment-336242</link>
		<dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely risky.  I don&#039;t think anybody has more than $5,000 with these places... and less than that, what&#039;s the point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely risky.  I don&#8217;t think anybody has more than $5,000 with these places&#8230; and less than that, what&#8217;s the point?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/surprise-peer-to-peer-lending-is-risky.html/comment-page-1#comment-336240</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I was burned by my one sample (A-rated) loan with my Lending Club sign-up bonus, I think CK&#039;s statement is simplistic. 

If I needed a loan, why would I pay extra to get that money from a Bank (with their extra overhead).  As a borrower, it&#039;s all about the rate, and, just like with online banking, these online lending organizations probably have lower overhead which should free up lower rates for borrowers, and higher rates for lenders. 

As I&#039;ve read elsewhere, P2P lending is a new asset class. When I see the RATE of defaults decrease, and see a correlation to other asset classes, I might find it a reasonable risk to use as one investment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I was burned by my one sample (A-rated) loan with my Lending Club sign-up bonus, I think CK&#8217;s statement is simplistic. </p>
<p>If I needed a loan, why would I pay extra to get that money from a Bank (with their extra overhead).  As a borrower, it&#8217;s all about the rate, and, just like with online banking, these online lending organizations probably have lower overhead which should free up lower rates for borrowers, and higher rates for lenders. </p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve read elsewhere, P2P lending is a new asset class. When I see the RATE of defaults decrease, and see a correlation to other asset classes, I might find it a reasonable risk to use as one investment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/surprise-peer-to-peer-lending-is-risky.html/comment-page-1#comment-336238</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They HAVE had A-rated borrower defaults.  Their page currently shows .21 percent. 

I know firsthand as I took my 25 dollar signup bonus and funded one A-rated borrower. Got about 5 payments before that borrower went into &quot;bankruptcy counseling&quot; last November. 

I wonder if this loan is considered a default, if not, how long, (and how many others like it) are in limbo and don&#039;t count as failed loans. 

I do get to look at the not so pretty borrower credit score graph change that went from &quot;750-799&quot; to &quot;499-&quot;....:(  All the nice tools in the world can&#039;t change the reality that you are making unsecured loans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They HAVE had A-rated borrower defaults.  Their page currently shows .21 percent. </p>
<p>I know firsthand as I took my 25 dollar signup bonus and funded one A-rated borrower. Got about 5 payments before that borrower went into &#8220;bankruptcy counseling&#8221; last November. </p>
<p>I wonder if this loan is considered a default, if not, how long, (and how many others like it) are in limbo and don&#8217;t count as failed loans. </p>
<p>I do get to look at the not so pretty borrower credit score graph change that went from &#8220;750-799&#8243; to &#8220;499-&#8221;&#8230;.:(  All the nice tools in the world can&#8217;t change the reality that you are making unsecured loans.</p>
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		<title>By: CK</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/surprise-peer-to-peer-lending-is-risky.html/comment-page-1#comment-336078</link>
		<dc:creator>CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a reason people go to Prosper for a loan.  Banks, etc already found them to be a bad risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a reason people go to Prosper for a loan.  Banks, etc already found them to be a bad risk.</p>
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		<title>By: NateUVM</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/surprise-peer-to-peer-lending-is-risky.html/comment-page-1#comment-336053</link>
		<dc:creator>NateUVM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have the data right at my fingertips, but I think the rates these sites are offering borrowers are still a lot lower than any kind of unsecured personal loans that you can get most anywhere else.  Secured loans, maybe not, but that&#039;s not what these P2P sites offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have the data right at my fingertips, but I think the rates these sites are offering borrowers are still a lot lower than any kind of unsecured personal loans that you can get most anywhere else.  Secured loans, maybe not, but that&#8217;s not what these P2P sites offer.</p>
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		<title>By: Soccer9040</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/surprise-peer-to-peer-lending-is-risky.html/comment-page-1#comment-336046</link>
		<dc:creator>Soccer9040</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW!!! Did you take the time to read the loan listings? What kind of people did you lend to? I&#039;m sure if you got into the C-F categories where interest rates were in the high teens you might expect a high level of defaults like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW!!! Did you take the time to read the loan listings? What kind of people did you lend to? I&#8217;m sure if you got into the C-F categories where interest rates were in the high teens you might expect a high level of defaults like this.</p>
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		<title>By: FinEngr</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/surprise-peer-to-peer-lending-is-risky.html/comment-page-1#comment-336042</link>
		<dc:creator>FinEngr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PTLG - Agreed.  I&#039;ve been interested in micro-lending ever since I saw this special on Mohammed Yunus.  

There&#039;s been a lot of type around these peer-peer sites.  On Lending Club, I was amazed at how &quot;well&quot; off these people were.  Listed professionals with higher than average credit scores asking for loans under $2,000 had me racking my brain.  I understand if they&#039;re looking for a lower rate, but given their stats - wouldn&#039;t they be able to take those steps on their own?

Sites like Kiva.org offer more social investing.  Many of the individuals may not have the same banking opps as here in the US.  Plus, your investment goes more towards ending poverty than backing bad decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PTLG &#8211; Agreed.  I&#8217;ve been interested in micro-lending ever since I saw this special on Mohammed Yunus.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s been a lot of type around these peer-peer sites.  On Lending Club, I was amazed at how &#8220;well&#8221; off these people were.  Listed professionals with higher than average credit scores asking for loans under $2,000 had me racking my brain.  I understand if they&#8217;re looking for a lower rate, but given their stats &#8211; wouldn&#8217;t they be able to take those steps on their own?</p>
<p>Sites like Kiva.org offer more social investing.  Many of the individuals may not have the same banking opps as here in the US.  Plus, your investment goes more towards ending poverty than backing bad decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: NewPerspective</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/surprise-peer-to-peer-lending-is-risky.html/comment-page-1#comment-336037</link>
		<dc:creator>NewPerspective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve loaned to 88 people on Prosper so far...  26 defaults.  Enough said!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve loaned to 88 people on Prosper so far&#8230;  26 defaults.  Enough said!</p>
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		<title>By: paystolivegreen</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/surprise-peer-to-peer-lending-is-risky.html/comment-page-1#comment-336023</link>
		<dc:creator>paystolivegreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 01:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not agree at all with peer to peer lending.  Not only is it risky for the person investing, but it just doesn&#039;t seem right to be lending money to people at sometimes extremely high rates.  I would rather take a 0% rate of return on my investment in an organization like Kiva.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not agree at all with peer to peer lending.  Not only is it risky for the person investing, but it just doesn&#8217;t seem right to be lending money to people at sometimes extremely high rates.  I would rather take a 0% rate of return on my investment in an organization like Kiva.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article talks about prosper.com - and I can&#039;t speak to that one since I don&#039;t use it.  

I&#039;ve been investing with Lending Club for a while now, and while I&#039;ve only got about $300 invested right now - so far I&#039;ve had a positive experience.  All my loans have made their scheduled payments, and I have a zero default rate.  Of course, with Lending Club you can choose only to invest in whatever loans you&#039;d like - and borrowers have a credit check run, in addition to income verification, and other safeguards.  You can even ask the borrowers questions about their situation, why they&#039;re getting the loan/etc.   

Each lender is given a rating with the best being A going down through E (I think?).  I&#039;ve been very careful about which loans I invest in and have only invested in A or B grade loans.  So far I&#039;m making about 11.2% on my money.  Better than a high yield savings account.  I realize that there is some risk here, but I think you can carefully manage your risk by the types of loans that you&#039;re investing in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article talks about prosper.com &#8211; and I can&#8217;t speak to that one since I don&#8217;t use it.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been investing with Lending Club for a while now, and while I&#8217;ve only got about $300 invested right now &#8211; so far I&#8217;ve had a positive experience.  All my loans have made their scheduled payments, and I have a zero default rate.  Of course, with Lending Club you can choose only to invest in whatever loans you&#8217;d like &#8211; and borrowers have a credit check run, in addition to income verification, and other safeguards.  You can even ask the borrowers questions about their situation, why they&#8217;re getting the loan/etc.   </p>
<p>Each lender is given a rating with the best being A going down through E (I think?).  I&#8217;ve been very careful about which loans I invest in and have only invested in A or B grade loans.  So far I&#8217;m making about 11.2% on my money.  Better than a high yield savings account.  I realize that there is some risk here, but I think you can carefully manage your risk by the types of loans that you&#8217;re investing in.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started Lending Club last month. One of the benefits I like is the ability to only put $25 into one loan, that way you can diversify and mitigate risk. I am excited about Lending Club and have read all the numbers and understand the risks. I am looking forward to its &#039;self fueling nature&#039; about a $750 investment will earn you $25 a month, to re-invest into the system. I looked into Prosper and was not impressed with the way they do buisness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started Lending Club last month. One of the benefits I like is the ability to only put $25 into one loan, that way you can diversify and mitigate risk. I am excited about Lending Club and have read all the numbers and understand the risks. I am looking forward to its &#8216;self fueling nature&#8217; about a $750 investment will earn you $25 a month, to re-invest into the system. I looked into Prosper and was not impressed with the way they do buisness.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I invested in Prosper about $4600 in a total of 92 loans before they went into the quiet period. Two years later I&#039;ve had 13 loans defaulted and 11 paid in full early. I used their &quot;Moderate Risk&quot; portfolio which had a combination of loans rated AA to D.

According to lendinstats my actual rate of return is 2% which agrees with my own Quicken data.

I will not continue to do peer-to-peer lending. It is a hassle to keep track of all the principal and interest payments and the rates cuoted on both Prosper and LC are not real. They don&#039;t factor in defaults, fees, etc.

If you want to borrow money just purchase corporate bonds from a Brokerage firm like E-Trade. You&#039;ll get a lower interest rate but the risk is much better understood. After Propser wnt into their quiet period a purchased about 12 individual corporate bonds from different US companies and my average annual return is 9.5% with no defaults so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I invested in Prosper about $4600 in a total of 92 loans before they went into the quiet period. Two years later I&#8217;ve had 13 loans defaulted and 11 paid in full early. I used their &#8220;Moderate Risk&#8221; portfolio which had a combination of loans rated AA to D.</p>
<p>According to lendinstats my actual rate of return is 2% which agrees with my own Quicken data.</p>
<p>I will not continue to do peer-to-peer lending. It is a hassle to keep track of all the principal and interest payments and the rates cuoted on both Prosper and LC are not real. They don&#8217;t factor in defaults, fees, etc.</p>
<p>If you want to borrow money just purchase corporate bonds from a Brokerage firm like E-Trade. You&#8217;ll get a lower interest rate but the risk is much better understood. After Propser wnt into their quiet period a purchased about 12 individual corporate bonds from different US companies and my average annual return is 9.5% with no defaults so far.</p>
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