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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 20:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct, in general student loans are not discharged in bankruptcy.</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 20:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about student loans?  I have heard that they cannot be discahrged with a CH 7.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about student loans?  I have heard that they cannot be discahrged with a CH 7.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 03:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Retirement assets are typically excluded from bankruptcies.</description>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 03:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a friend who filed chapter 7 and was able to keep his IRA intact.  Not sure if that would also be true of 401ks etc but his IRA was untouched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a friend who filed chapter 7 and was able to keep his IRA intact.  Not sure if that would also be true of 401ks etc but his IRA was untouched.</p>
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		<title>By: Marta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 11:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would explain how that was able to happen, though it did exacerbate an already dire financial situation; checks written to pay other living expenses bounced.

And that&#039;s exactly what he&#039;s done- off the grid in that regard, and working when he can for cash until he finds something permanent. But, job prospects for someone mired in debt, with bad credit, no bank accounts, without steady employment for two years, and living with his mother? I guess that&#039;s a topic for another forum. Something titled &quot;$75K to living with Mom&quot; perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would explain how that was able to happen, though it did exacerbate an already dire financial situation; checks written to pay other living expenses bounced.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s exactly what he&#8217;s done- off the grid in that regard, and working when he can for cash until he finds something permanent. But, job prospects for someone mired in debt, with bad credit, no bank accounts, without steady employment for two years, and living with his mother? I guess that&#8217;s a topic for another forum. Something titled &#8220;$75K to living with Mom&#8221; perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Harr @ Wealth...Uncomplicated</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Harr @ Wealth...Uncomplicated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 03:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim:

In your research, did you find if retirement accounts were protected assets during bankruptcy?  If I remember correctly, part of the newer bankruptcy provisions allowed for stronger protection of retirement accounts in that bankruptcy filers could hold on to these assets.  Just curious.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim:</p>
<p>In your research, did you find if retirement accounts were protected assets during bankruptcy?  If I remember correctly, part of the newer bankruptcy provisions allowed for stronger protection of retirement accounts in that bankruptcy filers could hold on to these assets.  Just curious.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Harr @ Wealth...Uncomplicated</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Harr @ Wealth...Uncomplicated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 03:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When they zapped the money from his checking account, it was likely a levy which is a seizure of assets.  It&#039;s perfectly legal, but there are rules associated with executing this type of collection.  Whenever someone is in serious debt where these levies may come up, I usually tell them to go off grid--meaning stopping direct deposits, turning off the bank account and associated debits, and living strictly on cash and money orders.  This alleviates overdraft fees that typically result when the levy drains the account and checks and other debits clear the account.

Also, if he banked with USAA and the mortgage was with USAA, they may have had an agreement to be able to do the levy without court approval.  It may have been embedded within the customer agreement, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When they zapped the money from his checking account, it was likely a levy which is a seizure of assets.  It&#8217;s perfectly legal, but there are rules associated with executing this type of collection.  Whenever someone is in serious debt where these levies may come up, I usually tell them to go off grid&#8211;meaning stopping direct deposits, turning off the bank account and associated debits, and living strictly on cash and money orders.  This alleviates overdraft fees that typically result when the levy drains the account and checks and other debits clear the account.</p>
<p>Also, if he banked with USAA and the mortgage was with USAA, they may have had an agreement to be able to do the levy without court approval.  It may have been embedded within the customer agreement, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 21:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mean to be nosy but how in the world could a &quot;frivolous&quot; lawsuit drag on for 8 years?   If it was totally frivolous it would have been dismissed quickly by the judge with a summary judgment.   Why would the other person spend 8 years of legal fees to pursue the case?   If it was straight forward how could it drag on for 8 years?   It seems a court thought the case was legitimate enough to last 8 years.  Or we&#039;re missing some key details here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mean to be nosy but how in the world could a &#8220;frivolous&#8221; lawsuit drag on for 8 years?   If it was totally frivolous it would have been dismissed quickly by the judge with a summary judgment.   Why would the other person spend 8 years of legal fees to pursue the case?   If it was straight forward how could it drag on for 8 years?   It seems a court thought the case was legitimate enough to last 8 years.  Or we&#8217;re missing some key details here.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 18:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had no debt, yet was practically forced to declare bankruptcy to get out of a lawsuit. Anyone can sue anyone! I was a party to a frivolous lawsuit, where I had to continue to pay legal fees to defend myself - this went on for 8 years. I finally went Chapter 7 and the lawsuit was discharged by the bankruptcy court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had no debt, yet was practically forced to declare bankruptcy to get out of a lawsuit. Anyone can sue anyone! I was a party to a frivolous lawsuit, where I had to continue to pay legal fees to defend myself &#8211; this went on for 8 years. I finally went Chapter 7 and the lawsuit was discharged by the bankruptcy court.</p>
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		<title>By: Marta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 18:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, figures. It does seem bizarre. I&#039;m surmising that with the glut of foreclosures in his area (south Atlanta) the bank doesn&#039;t want to be saddled with the liability and property taxes. He also had a short term consulting gig, and I think they thought that was the light at the end of the tunnel. His checking account was also with them (USAA), and they pulled out money he had deposited, to cover what he owed them at the time for payments in arrears. I&#039;m surprised that was even legal.

He tried to work out a short sale but that fell through, either no takers, or something on the part of USAA. Its a pretty economically depressed area. He also tried to arrange a deed in lieu, but no dice.

So, he gave up and has recently exercised option #3. His mother was diagnosed with cancer so he left the state and moved in with her to help out, and to increase his employment options.  The only saving grace there is that he has friends keeping an eye on the house so it isn&#039;t vandalized, but its a huge liability.  

What a mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, figures. It does seem bizarre. I&#8217;m surmising that with the glut of foreclosures in his area (south Atlanta) the bank doesn&#8217;t want to be saddled with the liability and property taxes. He also had a short term consulting gig, and I think they thought that was the light at the end of the tunnel. His checking account was also with them (USAA), and they pulled out money he had deposited, to cover what he owed them at the time for payments in arrears. I&#8217;m surprised that was even legal.</p>
<p>He tried to work out a short sale but that fell through, either no takers, or something on the part of USAA. Its a pretty economically depressed area. He also tried to arrange a deed in lieu, but no dice.</p>
<p>So, he gave up and has recently exercised option #3. His mother was diagnosed with cancer so he left the state and moved in with her to help out, and to increase his employment options.  The only saving grace there is that he has friends keeping an eye on the house so it isn&#8217;t vandalized, but its a huge liability.  </p>
<p>What a mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 17:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marta, thats an interesting situation that he hasn&#039;t paid the mortgage for a year and the bank won&#039;t foreclose.   You&#039;d think the bank would want to salvage some of their investment.   Wouldn&#039;t ya know it, the one guy in the country that wants to be foreclosed on and they won&#039;t do it.   *shrug*    

1) Your friend could simply continue to live in the house for free until the bank decides to foreclose on him.   I wouldn&#039;t really consider it &#039;bad&#039; to do so IMO, its not as if he&#039;s taking advantage of the bank, he seems like he *wants* them to foreclose. Free rent might help him get back on track financially eventually and he could even get caught up on payments.

2) He could look into a &#039;short sale&#039;.   Thats if he finds someone to buy the home for less than what is owed and the bank agrees to it.  Say he owes $150,000 and the home is only now worth $100,000.   The bank might be happy to wash their hands of the situation for the $100k and take the $50k difference as a loss.  

3) If all else fails and he needs to move out of the house and move on with his life, he could &#039;walk away&#039;.   That would be simply abandoning the home for the bank to eventually take over when they get around to it.  But there could be consequences to doing this.  He could owe the bank the difference in the loan still.  IMO he&#039;d be better of with option 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marta, thats an interesting situation that he hasn&#8217;t paid the mortgage for a year and the bank won&#8217;t foreclose.   You&#8217;d think the bank would want to salvage some of their investment.   Wouldn&#8217;t ya know it, the one guy in the country that wants to be foreclosed on and they won&#8217;t do it.   *shrug*    </p>
<p>1) Your friend could simply continue to live in the house for free until the bank decides to foreclose on him.   I wouldn&#8217;t really consider it &#8216;bad&#8217; to do so IMO, its not as if he&#8217;s taking advantage of the bank, he seems like he *wants* them to foreclose. Free rent might help him get back on track financially eventually and he could even get caught up on payments.</p>
<p>2) He could look into a &#8217;short sale&#8217;.   Thats if he finds someone to buy the home for less than what is owed and the bank agrees to it.  Say he owes $150,000 and the home is only now worth $100,000.   The bank might be happy to wash their hands of the situation for the $100k and take the $50k difference as a loss.  </p>
<p>3) If all else fails and he needs to move out of the house and move on with his life, he could &#8216;walk away&#8217;.   That would be simply abandoning the home for the bank to eventually take over when they get around to it.  But there could be consequences to doing this.  He could owe the bank the difference in the loan still.  IMO he&#8217;d be better of with option 1.</p>
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		<title>By: DebtGoal</title>
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		<dc:creator>DebtGoal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 17:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing is true: those considering bankruptcy should focus on the financial/mathematical justification for declaring or not declaring it, and put aside any emotional or social concerns. Too many individuals fret over the impact of declaring bankruptcy on their personal relationships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing is true: those considering bankruptcy should focus on the financial/mathematical justification for declaring or not declaring it, and put aside any emotional or social concerns. Too many individuals fret over the impact of declaring bankruptcy on their personal relationships.</p>
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		<title>By: Marta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 14:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is more of a question than a comment. Long story short- a friend lost his job among other things and hasn&#039;t been able to pay the mortgage in over a year. He&#039;s also has severe negative equity, and would be more than happy just to give up the house and try to get back on his feet.

Problem is the bank doesn&#039;t want it either and won&#039;t foreclose. Two attorneys told him that he can&#039;t file for bankruptcy and clear his debt unless there is a judgment against him for the house. I know most people want to keep their home in bankruptcy, but he&#039;s just the opposite, is he just out of luck?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is more of a question than a comment. Long story short- a friend lost his job among other things and hasn&#8217;t been able to pay the mortgage in over a year. He&#8217;s also has severe negative equity, and would be more than happy just to give up the house and try to get back on his feet.</p>
<p>Problem is the bank doesn&#8217;t want it either and won&#8217;t foreclose. Two attorneys told him that he can&#8217;t file for bankruptcy and clear his debt unless there is a judgment against him for the house. I know most people want to keep their home in bankruptcy, but he&#8217;s just the opposite, is he just out of luck?</p>
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