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		<title>By: calvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>calvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2012 17:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it works, it just do anything different than just paying your extra discretionary money each month towards your debt, except for adding $3500 more debt, plus the added interest to pay that money off, plus added expense of it&#039;s inefficiencies.

Many people, including myself, have demonstrated the math behind the program, and shown full prepayments to be thousands to tens of thousands more efficient.

We understand it just fine, you merely saying we don&#039;t doesn&#039;t change that proven fact.  Math never lies, UFF salesmen almost always did.  Of coursem the salesmen are gone now because they shat on their credibility so thoroughly on the internet.... company fired them all &#039;cause sales dropped to a tiny fraction once the jig was up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it works, it just do anything different than just paying your extra discretionary money each month towards your debt, except for adding $3500 more debt, plus the added interest to pay that money off, plus added expense of it&#8217;s inefficiencies.</p>
<p>Many people, including myself, have demonstrated the math behind the program, and shown full prepayments to be thousands to tens of thousands more efficient.</p>
<p>We understand it just fine, you merely saying we don&#8217;t doesn&#8217;t change that proven fact.  Math never lies, UFF salesmen almost always did.  Of coursem the salesmen are gone now because they shat on their credibility so thoroughly on the internet&#8230;. company fired them all &#8217;cause sales dropped to a tiny fraction once the jig was up.</p>
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		<title>By: girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you have it all wrong buddy.  It&#039;s working for me!I hate when people talk about things when they don&#039;t understand them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you have it all wrong buddy.  It&#8217;s working for me!I hate when people talk about things when they don&#8217;t understand them.</p>
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		<title>By: calvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>calvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TONS of people have paid ahead on their mortgage without ridiculous $3500 software.  It&#039;s easy.  Figure out how much leftover money you have each month.  Write a check.  Boom.  Done.  No &quot;optimizing&quot; software needed (that doesn&#039;t optimize a dang thing at any level).

There are examples of people that got HELOCs for their UFF crapware and ran up debt.  Nothing in the software prevents that just like nothing in the software prevents you from buying starbucks coffee everyday, etc.

And yes, we know you aren&#039;t a UFF salesman.... they fired them all because the jig was up.  Their agents took a giant crap all over the internet with bogus claims and outright lies to fool dumb people into paying $3500 to do something they could already do for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TONS of people have paid ahead on their mortgage without ridiculous $3500 software.  It&#8217;s easy.  Figure out how much leftover money you have each month.  Write a check.  Boom.  Done.  No &#8220;optimizing&#8221; software needed (that doesn&#8217;t optimize a dang thing at any level).</p>
<p>There are examples of people that got HELOCs for their UFF crapware and ran up debt.  Nothing in the software prevents that just like nothing in the software prevents you from buying starbucks coffee everyday, etc.</p>
<p>And yes, we know you aren&#8217;t a UFF salesman&#8230;. they fired them all because the jig was up.  Their agents took a giant crap all over the internet with bogus claims and outright lies to fool dumb people into paying $3500 to do something they could already do for free.</p>
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		<title>By: Beau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 17:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just stumbled upon this site and felt I needed to say something to clear up some of the confusion regarding the value in the MMA program. I&#039;ll start with an illustration....anyone here a Dave Ramsey fan? Well I am. Dave Ramsey however teaches to destroy every credit card and never use a credit card again. Now I happen to own 3 credit cards. Does that mean I&#039;m not fan or beieve in his teachings? Not at all....I believe his teachings benefit millions of americans who for some reason are UNABLE to apply the discipline needed to not spend any more than you would without it, and to pay your balance in full every month. For me, that&#039;s easy and I enjoy the convenience of the card &amp; the cash back incentive programs.
Now, lets move on to the MMA program. I am a Ufirst MMA owner/user (not a seller/agent). I believe this program is perfect for a certain category of people. I don&#039;t dispute any of the mathematitions on here....I analized it real well myself before I purchased it several years ago. Here&#039;s what I know....If you really want to pay off your house sooner &amp; If your income sometimes fluctuates &amp; if you are not easily able to budget extra funds to pay down your mortgage...it&#039;s great! Here&#039;s why...I may have discretionary income anywhere from $20 to $400 a mth (money that would likely be spent at starbucks, gas station stores, etc.). Though I&#039;m well disciplined, I typically would not try to squeeze any of this inconsistent income into a budgeted item. The program calculates this and forces me to use these funds productively which otherwise would have been just pissed away. I could try to accomplish this myself, but what a hassle...the program can tell you the optimum time &amp; the optimum amount to do your funds transfer from your aloc to give you the most bang for your buck. For every person that has told me that you can do it yourself, I DON&#039;T KNOW OF ONE WHO HAS (not to say you can&#039;t...but until a person can afford to easily budget the extra funds, to me it&#039;s not worth the calculated effort &amp; time involved). I look at it like this......I spent $3500 to save about $136K in interest. Definately worth the trade off for me! (knowing I would have most likely done nothing otherwise)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just stumbled upon this site and felt I needed to say something to clear up some of the confusion regarding the value in the MMA program. I&#8217;ll start with an illustration&#8230;.anyone here a Dave Ramsey fan? Well I am. Dave Ramsey however teaches to destroy every credit card and never use a credit card again. Now I happen to own 3 credit cards. Does that mean I&#8217;m not fan or beieve in his teachings? Not at all&#8230;.I believe his teachings benefit millions of americans who for some reason are UNABLE to apply the discipline needed to not spend any more than you would without it, and to pay your balance in full every month. For me, that&#8217;s easy and I enjoy the convenience of the card &amp; the cash back incentive programs.<br />
Now, lets move on to the MMA program. I am a Ufirst MMA owner/user (not a seller/agent). I believe this program is perfect for a certain category of people. I don&#8217;t dispute any of the mathematitions on here&#8230;.I analized it real well myself before I purchased it several years ago. Here&#8217;s what I know&#8230;.If you really want to pay off your house sooner &amp; If your income sometimes fluctuates &amp; if you are not easily able to budget extra funds to pay down your mortgage&#8230;it&#8217;s great! Here&#8217;s why&#8230;I may have discretionary income anywhere from $20 to $400 a mth (money that would likely be spent at starbucks, gas station stores, etc.). Though I&#8217;m well disciplined, I typically would not try to squeeze any of this inconsistent income into a budgeted item. The program calculates this and forces me to use these funds productively which otherwise would have been just pissed away. I could try to accomplish this myself, but what a hassle&#8230;the program can tell you the optimum time &amp; the optimum amount to do your funds transfer from your aloc to give you the most bang for your buck. For every person that has told me that you can do it yourself, I DON&#8217;T KNOW OF ONE WHO HAS (not to say you can&#8217;t&#8230;but until a person can afford to easily budget the extra funds, to me it&#8217;s not worth the calculated effort &amp; time involved). I look at it like this&#8230;&#8230;I spent $3500 to save about $136K in interest. Definately worth the trade off for me! (knowing I would have most likely done nothing otherwise)</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 04:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UFirst terminated their entire sales force of independent agents back in the spring of this year due to hugely declining sales.  It was carnage.  The MMA is now sold through Market America for $2000, and an uber-ignorant sales group that are known by the name of their sales technique, &quot;The P.I.L.L. Method&quot;.

It is also being sold through a devious direct mail campaign (http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/8776705577/4) that starts by offering a low cost &quot;mortgage audit&quot; by Accelerated Cashflow Technologies (ACT), which is just Accelerated Equity and Development (AED), which is the old company name belonging to Skyler Witman and John Washenko.  In these direct mailings, no company name is given - just a phone nunmber.  Skyler and John are just run-of-the-mill scammers.

If you need a software coach, grab a copy of Quicken.  It will do a much better job, because it will cost you less than $100 (95% less than the $2000 MMA), and it is a much more refined and efficient product.

Everything Calvin has said in his comments is true.  Don&#039;t be fooled by the Money Merge Account.  It&#039;s not worth $1.  Working through a sample $200,000 mortgage with an agent, we worked out that the agent should have refunded the $3500 and paid his client an additional $2000 as compensation to make up for the inefficiencies of the MMA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UFirst terminated their entire sales force of independent agents back in the spring of this year due to hugely declining sales.  It was carnage.  The MMA is now sold through Market America for $2000, and an uber-ignorant sales group that are known by the name of their sales technique, &#8220;The P.I.L.L. Method&#8221;.</p>
<p>It is also being sold through a devious direct mail campaign (<a href="http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/8776705577/4" rel="nofollow">http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/8776705577/4</a>) that starts by offering a low cost &#8220;mortgage audit&#8221; by Accelerated Cashflow Technologies (ACT), which is just Accelerated Equity and Development (AED), which is the old company name belonging to Skyler Witman and John Washenko.  In these direct mailings, no company name is given &#8211; just a phone nunmber.  Skyler and John are just run-of-the-mill scammers.</p>
<p>If you need a software coach, grab a copy of Quicken.  It will do a much better job, because it will cost you less than $100 (95% less than the $2000 MMA), and it is a much more refined and efficient product.</p>
<p>Everything Calvin has said in his comments is true.  Don&#8217;t be fooled by the Money Merge Account.  It&#8217;s not worth $1.  Working through a sample $200,000 mortgage with an agent, we worked out that the agent should have refunded the $3500 and paid his client an additional $2000 as compensation to make up for the inefficiencies of the MMA.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 04:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cam3ron,

Say it isn&#039;t so! ;)

Yeah, I was forwarded some of John&#039;s emails, specifically about him wanting to pull out of Canada, back when they were telling Canadian agents that they were working on becoming compliant with Canadian (Competition Act) regulations about making unrealistic income claims.  They weren&#039;t working on squat, of course.

Tell me, how does the algorithm decide how much to borrow from the LOC or other account to prepay the mortgage?  Seems almost random to me.  It&#039;s definitely too much to be efficient, but it looks good to the ignorant, which is obviously what John was more interested in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cam3ron,</p>
<p>Say it isn&#8217;t so! <img src='http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Yeah, I was forwarded some of John&#8217;s emails, specifically about him wanting to pull out of Canada, back when they were telling Canadian agents that they were working on becoming compliant with Canadian (Competition Act) regulations about making unrealistic income claims.  They weren&#8217;t working on squat, of course.</p>
<p>Tell me, how does the algorithm decide how much to borrow from the LOC or other account to prepay the mortgage?  Seems almost random to me.  It&#8217;s definitely too much to be efficient, but it looks good to the ignorant, which is obviously what John was more interested in.</p>
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		<title>By: Calvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you do chose to do it on your own.  Whether it&#039;s $1, $100, $1000, or $3500...you are just paying them so that they can tell you to spend all your money on your debt.  That may not even be the best financial decision for you.  If you have no savings (or &quot;negative savings&quot; as they have you do), and you lose your job...you have to buy everything on credit....if you have it.  If you have $20k more in 5% mortgage debt (costing you ~$85/month in tax deductible interest), but $20k more in savings, that savings may help you weather stints of unemployment, reduced pay, etc.  so much to consider... risk, debt, savings, income, costs, etc.

these are all the things that the UFF DOESN&#039;T tell you about.  UFF agents are some of the most financially illiterate people out there.  it&#039;s pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you do chose to do it on your own.  Whether it&#8217;s $1, $100, $1000, or $3500&#8230;you are just paying them so that they can tell you to spend all your money on your debt.  That may not even be the best financial decision for you.  If you have no savings (or &#8220;negative savings&#8221; as they have you do), and you lose your job&#8230;you have to buy everything on credit&#8230;.if you have it.  If you have $20k more in 5% mortgage debt (costing you ~$85/month in tax deductible interest), but $20k more in savings, that savings may help you weather stints of unemployment, reduced pay, etc.  so much to consider&#8230; risk, debt, savings, income, costs, etc.</p>
<p>these are all the things that the UFF DOESN&#8217;T tell you about.  UFF agents are some of the most financially illiterate people out there.  it&#8217;s pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: NJBlue</title>
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		<dc:creator>NJBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3! is the symbol for &quot;3 factorial.&quot;  3 Factorial is 3 x 2 x 1, which of course equals 6.

Does MMA do lots of factorials just for fun or is the use of factorials somehow tied to the very simple and time-tested act of prepaying a mortgage.  Why does mortgage prepayment require &quot;complex algorithms&quot; and &quot;factorial math?&quot;  

Oh that&#039;s right, it requires neither.  And all MMA requires to work is YOUR own money (excess cash flow), something you can send your bank free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3! is the symbol for &#8220;3 factorial.&#8221;  3 Factorial is 3 x 2 x 1, which of course equals 6.</p>
<p>Does MMA do lots of factorials just for fun or is the use of factorials somehow tied to the very simple and time-tested act of prepaying a mortgage.  Why does mortgage prepayment require &#8220;complex algorithms&#8221; and &#8220;factorial math?&#8221;  </p>
<p>Oh that&#8217;s right, it requires neither.  And all MMA requires to work is YOUR own money (excess cash flow), something you can send your bank free.</p>
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		<title>By: NJBlue</title>
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		<dc:creator>NJBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sally,

Run an MMA illustration for $1,000 a month &quot;discretionary income&quot; - the SAME $1,000 that could be sent directly to your mortgage company - in John &amp; Rebecca Jones&#039; 6%/$200k example.

1. MMA pays the mortgage in 10 yrs at a cost of $66,937.94 interest.
2. Bankrate.com&#039;s prepay $1,000/month is 10 yrs and $67,408.24.

MMA wins!  By $470.  But that assumes you took MMA&#039;s $3,500 fee from savings and did not add it to the Heloc as most people do.  So in this example, you&#039;ve paid $3,500 to save $470.  Is that a good investment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sally,</p>
<p>Run an MMA illustration for $1,000 a month &#8220;discretionary income&#8221; &#8211; the SAME $1,000 that could be sent directly to your mortgage company &#8211; in John &amp; Rebecca Jones&#8217; 6%/$200k example.</p>
<p>1. MMA pays the mortgage in 10 yrs at a cost of $66,937.94 interest.<br />
2. Bankrate.com&#8217;s prepay $1,000/month is 10 yrs and $67,408.24.</p>
<p>MMA wins!  By $470.  But that assumes you took MMA&#8217;s $3,500 fee from savings and did not add it to the Heloc as most people do.  So in this example, you&#8217;ve paid $3,500 to save $470.  Is that a good investment?</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 23:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read many of these comments from Calvin and all.  Thank you for all your comments.  UFF is now having a special for $2000 not $3500.  That is why we have been considering it, change of price.  But Calvin and others make sense also by saying, we can do it all for free.  Its just figuring out if you can do it on your own and be committed to it...especially in this world of buy now, pay later, credit, credit, credit.  
Good comments... I hope we do the right thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read many of these comments from Calvin and all.  Thank you for all your comments.  UFF is now having a special for $2000 not $3500.  That is why we have been considering it, change of price.  But Calvin and others make sense also by saying, we can do it all for free.  Its just figuring out if you can do it on your own and be committed to it&#8230;especially in this world of buy now, pay later, credit, credit, credit.<br />
Good comments&#8230; I hope we do the right thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Calvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 05:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paying ahead on your debt saved you the money.  You could have done that for free and been even further ahead.  The math is quite simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paying ahead on your debt saved you the money.  You could have done that for free and been even further ahead.  The math is quite simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Calvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 05:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, you sound extremely ignorant.  Guess that&#039;s why you were drawn to the UFF discussion. 

I sound like I work for the bank?  Um, no.  If I worked for the bank, I would be advertising. And also not telling people how to cheaply pay down debt.

Please tell me how I call the federal debt &quot;properly managed&quot;?  I just said debt can be properly managed.  The funny thing (sad for you) is that a mortgage can be a great example of properly managed debt.  If you have only $20k in savings and want to buy a $200k house, with the proper income, you can buy the house without having to save up $200k first.  Imagine that!

&quot;So why would a bank give me a loan for $192k, tell me it’s for 5.25% and then when I send them 1060.23 they put $840 in their pockets and only put $220 dollars to my debt of $192k and you don’t have a problem with that?&quot;

Because $192k * 5.25% / 12 = $840.  It&#039;s simple math.  That&#039;s how much 5.25% interest is.  Just like if you had a savings account that paid 5.25% interest, they&#039;d pay you $840 in interest the first month for depositing $192k.  What about the math confuses you?

As for how much you owe on your house &quot;making sense&quot;, it depends.  Some people pay nothing extra on their mortgage because it&#039;s VERY cheap money and they can use it better elsewhere.  Some people use their extra money to invest in equities, bonds, real estate, etc.  If someone can make a 10% return on their money while holding a 6% mortgage, that means the best thing they can do is string out that mortgage debt as long as possible.

I&#039;d go into further detail, but I&#039;m guessing you are already foaming at the mouth ready to spout off more ignorance.  You were robbed, but not by the bank, rather by your parents and your teachers robbing you of an education and simple knowledge.  At least you aren&#039;t alone in your ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, you sound extremely ignorant.  Guess that&#8217;s why you were drawn to the UFF discussion. </p>
<p>I sound like I work for the bank?  Um, no.  If I worked for the bank, I would be advertising. And also not telling people how to cheaply pay down debt.</p>
<p>Please tell me how I call the federal debt &#8220;properly managed&#8221;?  I just said debt can be properly managed.  The funny thing (sad for you) is that a mortgage can be a great example of properly managed debt.  If you have only $20k in savings and want to buy a $200k house, with the proper income, you can buy the house without having to save up $200k first.  Imagine that!</p>
<p>&#8220;So why would a bank give me a loan for $192k, tell me it’s for 5.25% and then when I send them 1060.23 they put $840 in their pockets and only put $220 dollars to my debt of $192k and you don’t have a problem with that?&#8221;</p>
<p>Because $192k * 5.25% / 12 = $840.  It&#8217;s simple math.  That&#8217;s how much 5.25% interest is.  Just like if you had a savings account that paid 5.25% interest, they&#8217;d pay you $840 in interest the first month for depositing $192k.  What about the math confuses you?</p>
<p>As for how much you owe on your house &#8220;making sense&#8221;, it depends.  Some people pay nothing extra on their mortgage because it&#8217;s VERY cheap money and they can use it better elsewhere.  Some people use their extra money to invest in equities, bonds, real estate, etc.  If someone can make a 10% return on their money while holding a 6% mortgage, that means the best thing they can do is string out that mortgage debt as long as possible.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d go into further detail, but I&#8217;m guessing you are already foaming at the mouth ready to spout off more ignorance.  You were robbed, but not by the bank, rather by your parents and your teachers robbing you of an education and simple knowledge.  At least you aren&#8217;t alone in your ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 17:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Explain to me how a single parent with two kids can qualify for a mortgage of $800k! Then she ends up going into foreclosure because somebody gave her the wrong advice and the banks approved the loan!
Can you explain to me about your comment: &quot;And also keep in mind that debt, in and of itself is not bad. Poorly managed debt is *very* bad. Properly managed debt is *very* powerful and can take you very far.&quot;
You sound like you work for  bank! I guess you&#039;re calling the $7 trillion dollar debt the U.S. owes China a properly managed debt. Mr. Calvin, as far as I am concerned debt is debt, whether it is bad or properly managed! Maybe you can also address the $127 trillion dollars worth of unfunded debt the U.S. has as well since you understand this debt so well. 
I feel like an indentured servant being in debt with the banks. They have me because the collateral is my home and if I loose my income they have my house. That&#039;s what I understand. And for some reason it seems to me that the banks want me to fail. They take a lot of the income I make. You seem to not have a problem with that. I don&#039;t understand why you don&#039;t have a problem with that. I figured in the next 10 years the bank would have teken $90k out of my pocket from my properly managed debt. Even if I could save $5k a year for the next 10 years, I would still be $40k in the hole! So why would a bank give me a loan for $192k, tell me it&#039;s for 5.25% and then when I send them 1060.23 they put $840 in their pockets and only put $220 dollars to my debt of $192k and you don&#039;t have a problem with that? Jedi Mind Trick dude.
This is the THIRD house I have bought. The 1st house I figured I lost $124k after selling it for 17 years! I only walked away with $22k. I should have walked away with at least $124k. The 2nd house, after 14 years, is still $153k in debt. Does this make sense to you? I&#039;m sure you are ok with this because you consider it properly managed debt! Mr. Calvin, debt is debt and it robs average people of a good life. If I understood and knew how to do this I would have done it on my first house! Who in their right mind would voluntarily give away $124,000 dollars??? I was HAPPY to get the $22,000 but now I know I was ROBBED Mr. Calvin and I will never forget this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Explain to me how a single parent with two kids can qualify for a mortgage of $800k! Then she ends up going into foreclosure because somebody gave her the wrong advice and the banks approved the loan!<br />
Can you explain to me about your comment: &#8220;And also keep in mind that debt, in and of itself is not bad. Poorly managed debt is *very* bad. Properly managed debt is *very* powerful and can take you very far.&#8221;<br />
You sound like you work for  bank! I guess you&#8217;re calling the $7 trillion dollar debt the U.S. owes China a properly managed debt. Mr. Calvin, as far as I am concerned debt is debt, whether it is bad or properly managed! Maybe you can also address the $127 trillion dollars worth of unfunded debt the U.S. has as well since you understand this debt so well.<br />
I feel like an indentured servant being in debt with the banks. They have me because the collateral is my home and if I loose my income they have my house. That&#8217;s what I understand. And for some reason it seems to me that the banks want me to fail. They take a lot of the income I make. You seem to not have a problem with that. I don&#8217;t understand why you don&#8217;t have a problem with that. I figured in the next 10 years the bank would have teken $90k out of my pocket from my properly managed debt. Even if I could save $5k a year for the next 10 years, I would still be $40k in the hole! So why would a bank give me a loan for $192k, tell me it&#8217;s for 5.25% and then when I send them 1060.23 they put $840 in their pockets and only put $220 dollars to my debt of $192k and you don&#8217;t have a problem with that? Jedi Mind Trick dude.<br />
This is the THIRD house I have bought. The 1st house I figured I lost $124k after selling it for 17 years! I only walked away with $22k. I should have walked away with at least $124k. The 2nd house, after 14 years, is still $153k in debt. Does this make sense to you? I&#8217;m sure you are ok with this because you consider it properly managed debt! Mr. Calvin, debt is debt and it robs average people of a good life. If I understood and knew how to do this I would have done it on my first house! Who in their right mind would voluntarily give away $124,000 dollars??? I was HAPPY to get the $22,000 but now I know I was ROBBED Mr. Calvin and I will never forget this.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if it is a scam the scam have saved me over $127k in less than 2 years, so thank you for the scam!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if it is a scam the scam have saved me over $127k in less than 2 years, so thank you for the scam!</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Calvin - What I can&#039;t understand is why are you so angry that I chose to spend my money on a program? It was my money, not yours. And why are you so angry that UFirst was the first to tell me about this and charge me for teaching me about P &amp; I which I never understood? And why should you be angry because you have discipline that most people don&#039;t have? It was my $3500 to give away, not yours. I don&#039;t have this discipline that you have Mr. Calvin, but for the life of me I don&#039;t understand why you are so angry at the fact that I gave away $3500. It was never about the $3500. For me it was about the $189,683.00 dollars worth of interest I was going to pay at the end of my loan. Where were you when I was giving the bank 80% of my money and not knowing I was doing that? You probably don&#039;t even have a mortgage. I can say this. After 19 months of being in the program I am now on payment 139. I don&#039;t care how you slice it Mr. Calvin, there is no way in HELL I would of done that on my own. Being a creature of habit, I would of rather kept the money in my bank account instead of giving it to the mortgage company. And it&#039;s NOT as easy as you think. People won&#039;t let their money go that easy. I let mine go to UFF because I couldn&#039;t figure out how to make it work with my Quicken program. So really I don&#039;t care what you say because if you do the math, in 19 months I have eliminated 120 payments. That number times $1060.23 will tell you what I have saved. All I pray for is that I don&#039;t falter and back slide and continue what I have started. It is hard as hell to do and you should know this the way you talk. Our country has a debt of $14 trillion and the President is trying to raise the debt ceiling and you go around attacking people who are trying to lower their debt and pay off their bills and your only defense is, you can do it yourself!!? Well if we knew that we would of done it already!! It takes a discipline to do that and, like me, most people don&#039;t have that discipline.
I have been keeping a quarterly report on what I have been doing so I have numbers to prove everything I say. My number is .4375%. My $192k loan is now down to $149k and some change. I now have $100k of equity in my home that will be mine when I sale the place, not the banks. The bank is only giving me .4% on my money. The credit card are taking 11% and you are pissed off at who? Sounds like the Jedi Mind Trick is on YOU dude. My 401k lost thousands of dollars and my variable IRA which I found out is an annuity, is not moving upwards at all and you are angry at UFF??? You have GOT to be kidding me. There are a lot more people you should be angry at then this company. I am sorry that people get in and refuse to put the correct data in or refuse to follow the instructions but that doesn&#039;t make the company nor the program a scam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Calvin &#8211; What I can&#8217;t understand is why are you so angry that I chose to spend my money on a program? It was my money, not yours. And why are you so angry that UFirst was the first to tell me about this and charge me for teaching me about P &amp; I which I never understood? And why should you be angry because you have discipline that most people don&#8217;t have? It was my $3500 to give away, not yours. I don&#8217;t have this discipline that you have Mr. Calvin, but for the life of me I don&#8217;t understand why you are so angry at the fact that I gave away $3500. It was never about the $3500. For me it was about the $189,683.00 dollars worth of interest I was going to pay at the end of my loan. Where were you when I was giving the bank 80% of my money and not knowing I was doing that? You probably don&#8217;t even have a mortgage. I can say this. After 19 months of being in the program I am now on payment 139. I don&#8217;t care how you slice it Mr. Calvin, there is no way in HELL I would of done that on my own. Being a creature of habit, I would of rather kept the money in my bank account instead of giving it to the mortgage company. And it&#8217;s NOT as easy as you think. People won&#8217;t let their money go that easy. I let mine go to UFF because I couldn&#8217;t figure out how to make it work with my Quicken program. So really I don&#8217;t care what you say because if you do the math, in 19 months I have eliminated 120 payments. That number times $1060.23 will tell you what I have saved. All I pray for is that I don&#8217;t falter and back slide and continue what I have started. It is hard as hell to do and you should know this the way you talk. Our country has a debt of $14 trillion and the President is trying to raise the debt ceiling and you go around attacking people who are trying to lower their debt and pay off their bills and your only defense is, you can do it yourself!!? Well if we knew that we would of done it already!! It takes a discipline to do that and, like me, most people don&#8217;t have that discipline.<br />
I have been keeping a quarterly report on what I have been doing so I have numbers to prove everything I say. My number is .4375%. My $192k loan is now down to $149k and some change. I now have $100k of equity in my home that will be mine when I sale the place, not the banks. The bank is only giving me .4% on my money. The credit card are taking 11% and you are pissed off at who? Sounds like the Jedi Mind Trick is on YOU dude. My 401k lost thousands of dollars and my variable IRA which I found out is an annuity, is not moving upwards at all and you are angry at UFF??? You have GOT to be kidding me. There are a lot more people you should be angry at then this company. I am sorry that people get in and refuse to put the correct data in or refuse to follow the instructions but that doesn&#8217;t make the company nor the program a scam.</p>
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