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		<title>By: Lark</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/what-is-a-good-credit-score.html/comment-page-1#comment-327598</link>
		<dc:creator>Lark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CreditKarma&#039;s credit scores come from Transunion, and they&#039;re FREE!  No, they are not FICO scores, but they provide ball-park figures.  If CreditKarma is not trustworthy, then neither is TU.  That&#039;s a tenuous position to choose since TransUnion is one of the 3 major credit bureaus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CreditKarma&#8217;s credit scores come from Transunion, and they&#8217;re FREE!  No, they are not FICO scores, but they provide ball-park figures.  If CreditKarma is not trustworthy, then neither is TU.  That&#8217;s a tenuous position to choose since TransUnion is one of the 3 major credit bureaus.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CreditKarma does not give you a real FICO score.  The only place, period, that you can get your actual score is MyFico, and that&#039;s only for EQ and TU.  It&#039;s impossible to buy your real Experian score.

All of the other places (TrueCredit, CreditKarma, FreeCreditReport, etc) provide you with a score that may or may not even resemble that a lender will see, and has been known to be off by up to 100 points in either direction.  

Those scores are referred to on credit forums as &quot;FAKOS&quot;,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CreditKarma does not give you a real FICO score.  The only place, period, that you can get your actual score is MyFico, and that&#8217;s only for EQ and TU.  It&#8217;s impossible to buy your real Experian score.</p>
<p>All of the other places (TrueCredit, CreditKarma, FreeCreditReport, etc) provide you with a score that may or may not even resemble that a lender will see, and has been known to be off by up to 100 points in either direction.  </p>
<p>Those scores are referred to on credit forums as &#8220;FAKOS&#8221;,</p>
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		<title>By: Lark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you suggest people do for large purchases?  i.e. purchases in excess of 2 or 3 times their salaries?  A $120,000 house for someone with a salary of $60,000 can yield a monthly payment that is reasonable for someone in that salary range.  However, the length of time that it would take to raise the amount of capital required to immediately liquidate the house could be equivalent to the length of typical mortgage terms--15 or 30 years.  That is a long time to wait to become a home-owner just to remain debt free.  Plus, the opportunity to benefit from home appreciation would be lost.  Not to mention the fact that the rent that such an individual would otherwise pay would only earn the individual the right to use the estate, not keep it and resell it.

Credit, when used correctly, grows cash and assets much quicker than what can be done with income alone.  To get credit, it helps to have a credit score.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you suggest people do for large purchases?  i.e. purchases in excess of 2 or 3 times their salaries?  A $120,000 house for someone with a salary of $60,000 can yield a monthly payment that is reasonable for someone in that salary range.  However, the length of time that it would take to raise the amount of capital required to immediately liquidate the house could be equivalent to the length of typical mortgage terms&#8211;15 or 30 years.  That is a long time to wait to become a home-owner just to remain debt free.  Plus, the opportunity to benefit from home appreciation would be lost.  Not to mention the fact that the rent that such an individual would otherwise pay would only earn the individual the right to use the estate, not keep it and resell it.</p>
<p>Credit, when used correctly, grows cash and assets much quicker than what can be done with income alone.  To get credit, it helps to have a credit score.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you use cash to buy everything there is no reason to have a high credit score. Having a high credit score is only useful if you need to borrow money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you use cash to buy everything there is no reason to have a high credit score. Having a high credit score is only useful if you need to borrow money.</p>
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		<title>By: Lark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proud Mommy, you can get your credit score for free and on a daily basis at www.creditkarma.com.  It even explains why your score became the way it is.  Plus, you can use the site to learn how to improve your score, and you can see how you compare with others.

The greatest impact that you can have on your credit will result from continual on-time payments and an unwavering reduction of your debt.    Conservative living can produce a great deal of liquidity that can go toward your debt in a short amount of time.  

You may have to put the student loan on hold for now.  Some schools offer more assistance than others, so you might try to increase the academic market that you&#039;re willing to consider.  It might even be better for you to actually pay your way through school.  The ROI in education isn&#039;t all that great these days.  You might try to enroll in a cheap 1 or 2 year program, get a better job, and then increase your ability to pay for even higher education later down the road.

I can&#039;t imagine what you&#039;re going through, but if you have faith and live righteously, I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll be fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proud Mommy, you can get your credit score for free and on a daily basis at <a href="http://www.creditkarma.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.creditkarma.com</a>.  It even explains why your score became the way it is.  Plus, you can use the site to learn how to improve your score, and you can see how you compare with others.</p>
<p>The greatest impact that you can have on your credit will result from continual on-time payments and an unwavering reduction of your debt.    Conservative living can produce a great deal of liquidity that can go toward your debt in a short amount of time.  </p>
<p>You may have to put the student loan on hold for now.  Some schools offer more assistance than others, so you might try to increase the academic market that you&#8217;re willing to consider.  It might even be better for you to actually pay your way through school.  The ROI in education isn&#8217;t all that great these days.  You might try to enroll in a cheap 1 or 2 year program, get a better job, and then increase your ability to pay for even higher education later down the road.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine what you&#8217;re going through, but if you have faith and live righteously, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll be fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Proud Mommy</title>
		<link>http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/what-is-a-good-credit-score.html/comment-page-1#comment-327247</link>
		<dc:creator>Proud Mommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last year I helped my father by cosigning a auto loan for him that he swore he&#039;d pay off and on time... Well he didn&#039;t and now I&#039;m almost $9,000 in debt... I&#039;m tryin to get a loan for school but even though the &quot;repo&quot; wasn&#039;t my fault I&#039;m being punished for it... 
   My husband was killed  by a roadside bomb in iraq on 6/25/09 and shortly after his death I found out I was pregnant and had our son 1-19-09... After my husband died I was left with his credit debt as well as mine and I jus dnt know what to do... Ya $8 isn&#039;t a lot to spend on a credit score for some people, but it is to me... I need some advice!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last year I helped my father by cosigning a auto loan for him that he swore he&#8217;d pay off and on time&#8230; Well he didn&#8217;t and now I&#8217;m almost $9,000 in debt&#8230; I&#8217;m tryin to get a loan for school but even though the &#8220;repo&#8221; wasn&#8217;t my fault I&#8217;m being punished for it&#8230;<br />
   My husband was killed  by a roadside bomb in iraq on 6/25/09 and shortly after his death I found out I was pregnant and had our son 1-19-09&#8230; After my husband died I was left with his credit debt as well as mine and I jus dnt know what to do&#8230; Ya $8 isn&#8217;t a lot to spend on a credit score for some people, but it is to me&#8230; I need some advice!!</p>
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		<title>By: Lark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s possible to have a negative balance unless the payment is greater than the existing balance.  Even if that were the case,it would still require the credit card account to be open.  It is true that the debt/credit ratio would rise because of the shrinking available credit due to the closed account.  Unfortunately, if a request is made for the account to be re-opened, then that application of credit will further count against the credit score.  There&#039;s really no getting around that, however.  A good credit history requires the use of credit.  Nevertheless, it&#039;s best if application of credit is timed in such a way that no more than 2 hard inquiries are found within any 2-year period.

For anyone who plans on owning a home and doesn&#039;t have the cash to pay the principal in full, a good credit score is a necessary evil.  It&#039;s not all bad, though.  Contrary to Wizard Prang&#039;s assessment that Dave Ramsey believes that debt is needed in order to have a good credit score, going into debt isn&#039;t required to positively impact the credit score.  Showing credit card utilization and a history of payments is sufficient to elevate the credit score.  And that can be done without ever paying interest.  The only requirement is that the balance has to be paid in full each month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s possible to have a negative balance unless the payment is greater than the existing balance.  Even if that were the case,it would still require the credit card account to be open.  It is true that the debt/credit ratio would rise because of the shrinking available credit due to the closed account.  Unfortunately, if a request is made for the account to be re-opened, then that application of credit will further count against the credit score.  There&#8217;s really no getting around that, however.  A good credit history requires the use of credit.  Nevertheless, it&#8217;s best if application of credit is timed in such a way that no more than 2 hard inquiries are found within any 2-year period.</p>
<p>For anyone who plans on owning a home and doesn&#8217;t have the cash to pay the principal in full, a good credit score is a necessary evil.  It&#8217;s not all bad, though.  Contrary to Wizard Prang&#8217;s assessment that Dave Ramsey believes that debt is needed in order to have a good credit score, going into debt isn&#8217;t required to positively impact the credit score.  Showing credit card utilization and a history of payments is sufficient to elevate the credit score.  And that can be done without ever paying interest.  The only requirement is that the balance has to be paid in full each month.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the reason it goes down is because alot of what goes into credit scoring is the amount of debt and the total avaliable credit.

The less of your avaliable credit that is used, the higher your score.

Ex. If your discover had a 10,000 limit and you had 1,000 balance or so. that is +9,000. 

then it is cancelled. your new balance/limit is -1,000 !!

thats why your score goes down, most times you can call your bank to re-open</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the reason it goes down is because alot of what goes into credit scoring is the amount of debt and the total avaliable credit.</p>
<p>The less of your avaliable credit that is used, the higher your score.</p>
<p>Ex. If your discover had a 10,000 limit and you had 1,000 balance or so. that is +9,000. </p>
<p>then it is cancelled. your new balance/limit is -1,000 !!</p>
<p>thats why your score goes down, most times you can call your bank to re-open</p>
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		<title>By: Lark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether you should apply for another credit card depends partly on how many hard inquiries are on your credit report as well as how you plan to use that card.  If you have 2 or more hard inquiries on your credit report, I would wait until at least one of those inquiries expires before applying for credit again.  That could take up to 2 years.  If you have 1 or less hard inquiries, I think it would be fine to apply for another credit card as long as you plan to charge no less than 1% and no greater than 20% of the credit limit to it.  Getting a new credit card initially hurts your credit score because it decreases the average age of your accounts, and it adds a hard inquiry to your credit report.  Over time, the hard inquiry is deleted from your credit report, the age of your account increases, and you have a larger credit history because of the new account and the record of payments made on it.

I imagine that creditors use credit limits to adjust their risk.  Naturally, they give lower limits to those who they&#039;ve identified as risky credit recipients.  They may choose to account for the risk by raising the APR instead.  So, my guess is that the easiest way to find high limit cards for high-risk people is to find cards with high rates.  As long as you don&#039;t carry balances, the rates can&#039;t hurt you.  Seemingly, many people don&#039;t have that type of discipline.  

And, yes, creditors will recommend that you wait at least 6 months from the inception of the account to apply for increases to your credit limit.  That gives them enough time to re-evaluate your credit worthiness.  However, it&#039;s important to understand that they don&#039;t do it automatically.  You have to &#039;inquire&#039; about it, and that hard inquiry drops your credit score just as applying for a new credit card would.  So be sure that you can afford to take the hit by accounting for the # of hard inquiries on your credit report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether you should apply for another credit card depends partly on how many hard inquiries are on your credit report as well as how you plan to use that card.  If you have 2 or more hard inquiries on your credit report, I would wait until at least one of those inquiries expires before applying for credit again.  That could take up to 2 years.  If you have 1 or less hard inquiries, I think it would be fine to apply for another credit card as long as you plan to charge no less than 1% and no greater than 20% of the credit limit to it.  Getting a new credit card initially hurts your credit score because it decreases the average age of your accounts, and it adds a hard inquiry to your credit report.  Over time, the hard inquiry is deleted from your credit report, the age of your account increases, and you have a larger credit history because of the new account and the record of payments made on it.</p>
<p>I imagine that creditors use credit limits to adjust their risk.  Naturally, they give lower limits to those who they&#8217;ve identified as risky credit recipients.  They may choose to account for the risk by raising the APR instead.  So, my guess is that the easiest way to find high limit cards for high-risk people is to find cards with high rates.  As long as you don&#8217;t carry balances, the rates can&#8217;t hurt you.  Seemingly, many people don&#8217;t have that type of discipline.  </p>
<p>And, yes, creditors will recommend that you wait at least 6 months from the inception of the account to apply for increases to your credit limit.  That gives them enough time to re-evaluate your credit worthiness.  However, it&#8217;s important to understand that they don&#8217;t do it automatically.  You have to &#8216;inquire&#8217; about it, and that hard inquiry drops your credit score just as applying for a new credit card would.  So be sure that you can afford to take the hit by accounting for the # of hard inquiries on your credit report.</p>
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		<title>By: Wizard Prang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wizard Prang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately the calculation of the FICO is a &quot;secret sauce&quot;. IAC 810 is excellent, as is anything above 750, which is what lenders look for (particularly if they don&#039;t want to do any real work!:)).

Raising it any further will not, AFAIK, make any difference. In your shoes I would not worry about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately the calculation of the FICO is a &#8220;secret sauce&#8221;. IAC 810 is excellent, as is anything above 750, which is what lenders look for (particularly if they don&#8217;t want to do any real work!:)).</p>
<p>Raising it any further will not, AFAIK, make any difference. In your shoes I would not worry about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Wizard Prang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wizard Prang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s $8 more than Credit Karma :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s $8 more than Credit Karma <img src='http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is only about $8 to get your score from this website...to me worth it to keep up with your number!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is only about $8 to get your score from this website&#8230;to me worth it to keep up with your number!</p>
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		<title>By: wizardprang</title>
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		<dc:creator>wizardprang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As ridiculous as it may seem, it _is_ possible to have excellent credit and not much income. A family member who earns about what you do has a credit score of over 800, while I earn substantially more and am debt-free except for a modest mortgage, but have a score in the high 600s. Go figure...

I am no expert on credit scores, but in your situation I would advise you to concentrate on getting current with all payments, clearing up bad debts, paying bills on time, and building up savings. That will make you less reliant on debt and put you in a stronger position. I believe that opening extra accounts will not help as long if you are not current on payments.

According to Dave Ramsey, the way to get a good credit score is to get into debt and stay there, and I am not sure that is the way to go.

Oh, and if you are expecting a big tax refund in 2010, you are paying too much tax - overpaying the IRS makes for a lousy savings plan; reduce your withholding.

I hope that this helps...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As ridiculous as it may seem, it _is_ possible to have excellent credit and not much income. A family member who earns about what you do has a credit score of over 800, while I earn substantially more and am debt-free except for a modest mortgage, but have a score in the high 600s. Go figure&#8230;</p>
<p>I am no expert on credit scores, but in your situation I would advise you to concentrate on getting current with all payments, clearing up bad debts, paying bills on time, and building up savings. That will make you less reliant on debt and put you in a stronger position. I believe that opening extra accounts will not help as long if you are not current on payments.</p>
<p>According to Dave Ramsey, the way to get a good credit score is to get into debt and stay there, and I am not sure that is the way to go.</p>
<p>Oh, and if you are expecting a big tax refund in 2010, you are paying too much tax &#8211; overpaying the IRS makes for a lousy savings plan; reduce your withholding.</p>
<p>I hope that this helps&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: yeah</title>
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		<dc:creator>yeah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only have one current good standing account on my credit and I just opened that credit card account in March 2009 should I try to get another credit card now or wait a year or so. And how do I get offers for high limit cards my FICO is below 600 ? Do I have to start with like a $500 limit and pay that good for 6 months and then they will increase my limit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only have one current good standing account on my credit and I just opened that credit card account in March 2009 should I try to get another credit card now or wait a year or so. And how do I get offers for high limit cards my FICO is below 600 ? Do I have to start with like a $500 limit and pay that good for 6 months and then they will increase my limit?</p>
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		<title>By: toytoy27</title>
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		<dc:creator>toytoy27</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it possible to have excellent credit and not have much income ? This is what I am trying to accomplish.  I am a single mom. The only steady income I really have is my son is disable and on SSI ($700) monthly and when I am working my annual salary is usually between $20k-$25k yearly not much I know. I try despartly to pay my bills on time every month. I have 3 kids and my oldest goes to private school. Cause I live in the city. The only bills I really have is utility bills, rent, car ins, private school, just the basic bills and 1 secured credit card to help my credit score which with all 3 bureaus is between a 540-590. I also have a lot of old irresponsible debt (5 accounts)that are due to come off my credit late 2010. And not a lot of new unpaid debt less than 3 new negatives that I will pay off when I get my taxes in 2010. Will I ever have really good credit or do I have to open up more accounts to achieve this ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible to have excellent credit and not have much income ? This is what I am trying to accomplish.  I am a single mom. The only steady income I really have is my son is disable and on SSI ($700) monthly and when I am working my annual salary is usually between $20k-$25k yearly not much I know. I try despartly to pay my bills on time every month. I have 3 kids and my oldest goes to private school. Cause I live in the city. The only bills I really have is utility bills, rent, car ins, private school, just the basic bills and 1 secured credit card to help my credit score which with all 3 bureaus is between a 540-590. I also have a lot of old irresponsible debt (5 accounts)that are due to come off my credit late 2010. And not a lot of new unpaid debt less than 3 new negatives that I will pay off when I get my taxes in 2010. Will I ever have really good credit or do I have to open up more accounts to achieve this ?</p>
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