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		<title>By: Free Money Finance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Free Money Finance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Welcome to this week&#8217;s edition of the Carnival of the Vanities. As a summary of each piece, I&#8217;m listing each author&#8217;s reason for submitting the post to the carnival (for those that submitted one) and/or a bit of the post</p>
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		<title>By: SELF</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lauren, a condo would be a great short run plan. easier to unload to starter couples. has the condo market shown reasonably steady equity appreciation in the area?

other benefits may include: getting your feet wet in the purchase/selling process, tax breaks, home ownership credits, home ownership priviledges with vendors, addition to your asset column, rental income, still have cash for savings/retirement accounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lauren, a condo would be a great short run plan. easier to unload to starter couples. has the condo market shown reasonably steady equity appreciation in the area?</p>
<p>other benefits may include: getting your feet wet in the purchase/selling process, tax breaks, home ownership credits, home ownership priviledges with vendors, addition to your asset column, rental income, still have cash for savings/retirement accounts.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Now that you have started your planning lets start with the big “when”.
Plan a. Goal appears to be the house you currently live in/around/near your current neigborhood. And it looks like your starter home will not be flipped (resold) for profits to upgrade to another. Instead itis a starter nest. So,if I may be so bold … when do you plan on having your first child or how soon after you move into your home?&quot;

Hoping for a year or so afterward, if we can afford it.


&quot;Would you consider a plan b. saving 40k in 2.5 year , purchasing a 40k starter fixer upper house, that you rent out, fix up, rent out (your location and circustances would dictate the best course) hold for 2.5 years and either sell or take out the equity and to use as part of the down payment.&quot;

There aren&#039;t any 40k starter fixer upper houses around here, unfortunately.  You can&#039;t get any single family homes under $350k.  You can get a 2 bedroom condo, but we didn&#039;t feel that that would offer enough space to be worth it in the long run.  Ultimately I think the solution is to leave the area, but there are other things to take into consideration other than housing prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Now that you have started your planning lets start with the big “when”.<br />
Plan a. Goal appears to be the house you currently live in/around/near your current neigborhood. And it looks like your starter home will not be flipped (resold) for profits to upgrade to another. Instead itis a starter nest. So,if I may be so bold … when do you plan on having your first child or how soon after you move into your home?&#8221;</p>
<p>Hoping for a year or so afterward, if we can afford it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Would you consider a plan b. saving 40k in 2.5 year , purchasing a 40k starter fixer upper house, that you rent out, fix up, rent out (your location and circustances would dictate the best course) hold for 2.5 years and either sell or take out the equity and to use as part of the down payment.&#8221;</p>
<p>There aren&#8217;t any 40k starter fixer upper houses around here, unfortunately.  You can&#8217;t get any single family homes under $350k.  You can get a 2 bedroom condo, but we didn&#8217;t feel that that would offer enough space to be worth it in the long run.  Ultimately I think the solution is to leave the area, but there are other things to take into consideration other than housing prices.</p>
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		<title>By: SELF</title>
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		<dc:creator>SELF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 06:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jim, got mine on november 04, on sale for less than $800. infected only twice. had to complete reformat only once. just trying to count my blessings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jim, got mine on november 04, on sale for less than $800. infected only twice. had to complete reformat only once. just trying to count my blessings.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 06:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Self - Yessir, it&#039;s an HP Pavilian XT395 I bought second-hand about four years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Self &#8211; Yessir, it&#8217;s an HP Pavilian XT395 I bought second-hand about four years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: SELF</title>
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		<dc:creator>SELF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 05:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jim, notice in your photo a hp. perhaps a pavillion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jim, notice in your photo a hp. perhaps a pavillion?</p>
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		<title>By: SELF</title>
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		<dc:creator>SELF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 05:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lauren- 
Now that you have started your planning lets start with the big &quot;when&quot;. 
Plan a. Goal appears to be the house you currently live in/around/near your current neigborhood. And it looks like your starter home will not be flipped (resold) for profits to upgrade to another. Instead itis a starter nest. So,if I may be so bold ... when do you plan on having your first child or how soon after you move into your home?
 
I ask only because this will be a major event your life (financial, emotional, spritual, physical etc). Start from there and plan back to today. 

Would you consider a plan b. saving 40k in 2.5 year , purchasing a 40k starter fixer upper house, that you rent out, fix up, rent out (your location and circustances would dictate the best course) hold for 2.5 years and either sell or take out the equity and to use as part of the down payment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lauren-<br />
Now that you have started your planning lets start with the big &#8220;when&#8221;.<br />
Plan a. Goal appears to be the house you currently live in/around/near your current neigborhood. And it looks like your starter home will not be flipped (resold) for profits to upgrade to another. Instead itis a starter nest. So,if I may be so bold &#8230; when do you plan on having your first child or how soon after you move into your home?</p>
<p>I ask only because this will be a major event your life (financial, emotional, spritual, physical etc). Start from there and plan back to today. </p>
<p>Would you consider a plan b. saving 40k in 2.5 year , purchasing a 40k starter fixer upper house, that you rent out, fix up, rent out (your location and circustances would dictate the best course) hold for 2.5 years and either sell or take out the equity and to use as part of the down payment.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;80K downpayment, assuming it is 20% down, doesn’t really sound like trash. Sounds like a 400,000 opportunity, assuming starter home. Keyword is starter.&quot;

400k is a starter home.  We want 3 bedrooms because we plan to have kids in this house.  That&#039;s just the situation here, unless you want to live an area where you will be continually robbed and vandalized.

&quot;Also: 5 years to reserve 80K, assuming no changes in income, currently gives you 1334 a month disposable, hope you are putting that into some kind of liquid investment vehicle to hold in the while.&quot;  

It&#039;s in high-interest savings.

&quot;Do you mean that a 10% reduction in cash flow is a 10% reduction in spending money or a 10% reduction in savings or a 10% reduction in retirement investment?&quot;

I actually meant it&#039;s a 10% reduction in income, but outgo will be lower for necessities.  That&#039;ll cause an increase in retirement savings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;80K downpayment, assuming it is 20% down, doesn’t really sound like trash. Sounds like a 400,000 opportunity, assuming starter home. Keyword is starter.&#8221;</p>
<p>400k is a starter home.  We want 3 bedrooms because we plan to have kids in this house.  That&#8217;s just the situation here, unless you want to live an area where you will be continually robbed and vandalized.</p>
<p>&#8220;Also: 5 years to reserve 80K, assuming no changes in income, currently gives you 1334 a month disposable, hope you are putting that into some kind of liquid investment vehicle to hold in the while.&#8221;  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s in high-interest savings.</p>
<p>&#8220;Do you mean that a 10% reduction in cash flow is a 10% reduction in spending money or a 10% reduction in savings or a 10% reduction in retirement investment?&#8221;</p>
<p>I actually meant it&#8217;s a 10% reduction in income, but outgo will be lower for necessities.  That&#8217;ll cause an increase in retirement savings.</p>
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		<title>By: SELF</title>
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		<dc:creator>SELF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my apologies for taking up so much space but i am new to blogging (day 3) and am wondering who is the administrator of this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my apologies for taking up so much space but i am new to blogging (day 3) and am wondering who is the administrator of this site.</p>
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		<title>By: SELF</title>
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		<dc:creator>SELF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lauren
80K downpayment, assuming it is 20% down, doesn&#039;t really sound like trash. Sounds like a 400,000 opportunity, assuming starter home. Keyword is starter. 

Also: 5 years to reserve 80K, assuming no changes in income, currently gives you 1334 a month disposable, hope you are putting that into some kind of liquid investment vehicle to hold in the while.

Do you mean that a 10% reduction in cash flow is a 10% reduction in spending money or a 10% reduction in savings or a 10% reduction in retirement investment?

If spending reduction then thats  good thing. If savings or retirement reduction that can be part of your plan. Consider looking at the market value + equity as part of your retirement protfolio?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lauren<br />
80K downpayment, assuming it is 20% down, doesn&#8217;t really sound like trash. Sounds like a 400,000 opportunity, assuming starter home. Keyword is starter. </p>
<p>Also: 5 years to reserve 80K, assuming no changes in income, currently gives you 1334 a month disposable, hope you are putting that into some kind of liquid investment vehicle to hold in the while.</p>
<p>Do you mean that a 10% reduction in cash flow is a 10% reduction in spending money or a 10% reduction in savings or a 10% reduction in retirement investment?</p>
<p>If spending reduction then thats  good thing. If savings or retirement reduction that can be part of your plan. Consider looking at the market value + equity as part of your retirement protfolio?</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We aim to have a house in 5 years.  This means that we could either save $80k in 5 years or save $40k...in 5 years.  If we were to save less for the down payment, the rest would go to retirement.  The move would reduce cash flow by 10%.

The $80k is for a starter home.  It will get us a piece of trash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We aim to have a house in 5 years.  This means that we could either save $80k in 5 years or save $40k&#8230;in 5 years.  If we were to save less for the down payment, the rest would go to retirement.  The move would reduce cash flow by 10%.</p>
<p>The $80k is for a starter home.  It will get us a piece of trash.</p>
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		<title>By: SELF</title>
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		<dc:creator>SELF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lauren, i am not a financial planner or advisor but i can offer opinion 
you have layed the only a small portion of the inforation you need to consider for plan a and plan b, the missing element is time.
plan a stay there - how long would it take you to get the $80,000 down payment, do you want to commit the time? have you the cashflow to support the plan?

plan b move - only need $40,000, again the time questions + would the move increase or decrease your cash flow?

have you a plan c? less expensive starter home (a bad market is good for buyers, a buddy of mine purchased a fixxer upper in buffalo for only $36K, put down $3K has lived in it for 2 years and will be putting on the market in February - completely paid off ).

There are no real right answers for planning, there are only right moves in the direction of your goal. By the way that is the first thing you need to start a plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lauren, i am not a financial planner or advisor but i can offer opinion<br />
you have layed the only a small portion of the inforation you need to consider for plan a and plan b, the missing element is time.<br />
plan a stay there &#8211; how long would it take you to get the $80,000 down payment, do you want to commit the time? have you the cashflow to support the plan?</p>
<p>plan b move &#8211; only need $40,000, again the time questions + would the move increase or decrease your cash flow?</p>
<p>have you a plan c? less expensive starter home (a bad market is good for buyers, a buddy of mine purchased a fixxer upper in buffalo for only $36K, put down $3K has lived in it for 2 years and will be putting on the market in February &#8211; completely paid off ).</p>
<p>There are no real right answers for planning, there are only right moves in the direction of your goal. By the way that is the first thing you need to start a plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I stay where I live now, I&#039;ll need close to $80,000 for a down payment.  If I move, I may only need $40,000.  If I choose to save x amount per month, I&#039;ll hit that $80,000 and be able to stay here.  If I move, all that extra cash could have been invested in something more profitable and I missed out.  I&#039;m not sure what the right answer is here when it comes to being flexible in my planning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I stay where I live now, I&#8217;ll need close to $80,000 for a down payment.  If I move, I may only need $40,000.  If I choose to save x amount per month, I&#8217;ll hit that $80,000 and be able to stay here.  If I move, all that extra cash could have been invested in something more profitable and I missed out.  I&#8217;m not sure what the right answer is here when it comes to being flexible in my planning.</p>
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		<title>By: SELF</title>
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		<dc:creator>SELF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>miller. 
sorry, anon was me. forgot to list name. sorry that they are not &quot;game&quot;. but to win you gotta play, gotta get game.
 
options can include: flipping property in 3 years for profits, buying out partners at a later date. 

also as a note: from my experience, judt like leding money, never rent to friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>miller.<br />
sorry, anon was me. forgot to list name. sorry that they are not &#8220;game&#8221;. but to win you gotta play, gotta get game.</p>
<p>options can include: flipping property in 3 years for profits, buying out partners at a later date. </p>
<p>also as a note: from my experience, judt like leding money, never rent to friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I have done exactly that, but they aren&#039;t game.  I don&#039;t blame them though -- I don&#039;t think they want to commit to that sort of situation, which is perfectly understandable!

Also, I know my language was extreme -- but I agree with what anonymous poster said.  While the &quot;all knowing&quot; calculator said not buy, I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll want two other roommates in 15 years.  =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I have done exactly that, but they aren&#8217;t game.  I don&#8217;t blame them though &#8212; I don&#8217;t think they want to commit to that sort of situation, which is perfectly understandable!</p>
<p>Also, I know my language was extreme &#8212; but I agree with what anonymous poster said.  While the &#8220;all knowing&#8221; calculator said not buy, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll want two other roommates in 15 years.  =)</p>
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