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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole thing about American Express catering to a higher class of sophisticated and wealthy clientele is BS. I got the same offer from them in my mail as I did from Visa, and I wouldn&#039;t say I am sophisticated and wealthy, in fact my credit isn&#039;t really the greatest.  I randomly chose to go with American express - then I find out that a lot of companies don&#039;t accept American express.

I don&#039;t know how they can try to act like the superior sophisticated card when nobody takes them....all other cards have more value because they&#039;re accepted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole thing about American Express catering to a higher class of sophisticated and wealthy clientele is BS. I got the same offer from them in my mail as I did from Visa, and I wouldn&#8217;t say I am sophisticated and wealthy, in fact my credit isn&#8217;t really the greatest.  I randomly chose to go with American express &#8211; then I find out that a lot of companies don&#8217;t accept American express.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how they can try to act like the superior sophisticated card when nobody takes them&#8230;.all other cards have more value because they&#8217;re accepted.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Moneymonk.  If a customer disputes the transaction, they automatically take the customer&#039;s side without listening to the merchant and charge back your account.  We are no longer taking Amex because of this and have found that anyone who wants to pay with Amex always has Visa/MC in their wallet.  We have not gotten one complaint about not taking Amex anymore, thus, have lost no business because of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Moneymonk.  If a customer disputes the transaction, they automatically take the customer&#8217;s side without listening to the merchant and charge back your account.  We are no longer taking Amex because of this and have found that anyone who wants to pay with Amex always has Visa/MC in their wallet.  We have not gotten one complaint about not taking Amex anymore, thus, have lost no business because of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We take AMEX because we have to. We avoid it at all costs because of how expensive it is for merchants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We take AMEX because we have to. We avoid it at all costs because of how expensive it is for merchants.</p>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow - That answered my questions.  I do think its possible, however, that as VISA/MC increase their market share/limits &amp; Amex lowers its standards, the distinction may no longer matter... so Amex will have to lower its fees sooner or later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; That answered my questions.  I do think its possible, however, that as VISA/MC increase their market share/limits &amp; Amex lowers its standards, the distinction may no longer matter&#8230; so Amex will have to lower its fees sooner or later.</p>
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		<title>By: JC Music</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC Music</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Scott Sanders. Easily AmEx is misunderstood by old data. It may take a meeting with an AmEx rep, but they will definitely work with you to establish an account. In the music business, our customers spend big on instruments and lesson/studio time. For 3 years, we had customers complain that we didn&#039;t accept AmEx. Now we do, and our customer base has increased. Almost 75% of our customer base pays with AmEx. One thing I like both as a merchant and consumer, is AmEx is the only card company that still requires a hand signature on the receipt. This really cuts down on fraud. And AmEx has a far superior corporate card program in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Scott Sanders. Easily AmEx is misunderstood by old data. It may take a meeting with an AmEx rep, but they will definitely work with you to establish an account. In the music business, our customers spend big on instruments and lesson/studio time. For 3 years, we had customers complain that we didn&#8217;t accept AmEx. Now we do, and our customer base has increased. Almost 75% of our customer base pays with AmEx. One thing I like both as a merchant and consumer, is AmEx is the only card company that still requires a hand signature on the receipt. This really cuts down on fraud. And AmEx has a far superior corporate card program in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amex canceled ours and according to the letter every business line of credit account - so we will now be canceling our merchant account with Amex in retaliation!  I believe Amex is on the verge of financial collapse so they are trying to cut out any possible credit delinquencies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amex canceled ours and according to the letter every business line of credit account &#8211; so we will now be canceling our merchant account with Amex in retaliation!  I believe Amex is on the verge of financial collapse so they are trying to cut out any possible credit delinquencies.</p>
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		<title>By: Sales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly agree with &quot;American Express DOES hold Pay Outs for 3 Days or More… I have never commited fraud nor am I flagged. &quot;

 We have been doing business with Amex for 5 years now and they always take 3 days. In our type of business that is a rope around our neck since our ticket items are over 1000 dollars.

Although I do agree that there are more clients making bigger purchases with Amex than Visa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly agree with &#8220;American Express DOES hold Pay Outs for 3 Days or More… I have never commited fraud nor am I flagged. &#8221;</p>
<p> We have been doing business with Amex for 5 years now and they always take 3 days. In our type of business that is a rope around our neck since our ticket items are over 1000 dollars.</p>
<p>Although I do agree that there are more clients making bigger purchases with Amex than Visa.</p>
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		<title>By: Vman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 21:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We just had a problem with American Express that is totally unethical as far as I am concerned. We have had orders not being approved over the last week or so and really didn&#039;t realize what was going till a customer called us. She called her American Express Card provider who went on to tell her that our account was canceled. News to us!!!!!

I called our Merchant support who went on to tell us that it was canceled but she was not at liberty to tell me why and that it&#039;s in their contact that they can do so.

I later find out that it&#039;s because we had a customer chargeback an $800 order where we had proof of address matching, delivery and even a signature from the customer because it was sent insured. Still American Express refused to reverse the call and we threatened to get our lawyer involved. 

Now even if it&#039;s acceptable to cancel a merchants account is it right to do so without warning and have us find out a week and a half later. We are trying to make a living and this is what they go and do to us. To top it off our lawyer is outraged because we have all the proof needed to show that the sale was a valid sale and they were scamming American Express yet they choose to still support the customer.

This is not over by any means but I am not sure we would ever use American Express again. Thats the way they treat their merchants????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just had a problem with American Express that is totally unethical as far as I am concerned. We have had orders not being approved over the last week or so and really didn&#8217;t realize what was going till a customer called us. She called her American Express Card provider who went on to tell her that our account was canceled. News to us!!!!!</p>
<p>I called our Merchant support who went on to tell us that it was canceled but she was not at liberty to tell me why and that it&#8217;s in their contact that they can do so.</p>
<p>I later find out that it&#8217;s because we had a customer chargeback an $800 order where we had proof of address matching, delivery and even a signature from the customer because it was sent insured. Still American Express refused to reverse the call and we threatened to get our lawyer involved. </p>
<p>Now even if it&#8217;s acceptable to cancel a merchants account is it right to do so without warning and have us find out a week and a half later. We are trying to make a living and this is what they go and do to us. To top it off our lawyer is outraged because we have all the proof needed to show that the sale was a valid sale and they were scamming American Express yet they choose to still support the customer.</p>
<p>This is not over by any means but I am not sure we would ever use American Express again. Thats the way they treat their merchants????????</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Crow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American Express DOES hold Pay Outs for 3 Days or More... I have never commited fraud nor am I flagged.  I just spoke with them about 5 minutes ago and they told me the FASTEST payout time is 3 days.

This is the year 2008, We are in the electronic age, Holding checks / credit card payments is a thing of the past.  As of today my company will no longer accept American Express.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American Express DOES hold Pay Outs for 3 Days or More&#8230; I have never commited fraud nor am I flagged.  I just spoke with them about 5 minutes ago and they told me the FASTEST payout time is 3 days.</p>
<p>This is the year 2008, We are in the electronic age, Holding checks / credit card payments is a thing of the past.  As of today my company will no longer accept American Express.</p>
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		<title>By: credit card analyzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>credit card analyzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, American Express is slower, but it&#039;s wonderful in the point of cash back rewards. Waht&#039;s more, I got used to it and do not give so much notice to slight processing inconveniences. I responsibly pay my bills and so I haven&#039;t had problems so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, American Express is slower, but it&#8217;s wonderful in the point of cash back rewards. Waht&#8217;s more, I got used to it and do not give so much notice to slight processing inconveniences. I responsibly pay my bills and so I haven&#8217;t had problems so far.</p>
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		<title>By: GP</title>
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		<dc:creator>GP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both Amex and Discover seem to clear more slowly than Visa and MasterCard.  Our salon has used two different merchant accounts and we were always frustrated when trying to reconcile our banking transactions with our daily sales.

For example: If we had $1,000 of credit card transactions on a given day we would three separate deposits over the following days one for Visa/MC and then two, later deposits for Amex and Discover.  This makes it &lt;strong&gt; much more difficult &lt;/strong&gt; for us to reconcile our receipts... all because of the occasional non Visa/MC user.

We&#039;ve seriously considered banning Amex and Discover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both Amex and Discover seem to clear more slowly than Visa and MasterCard.  Our salon has used two different merchant accounts and we were always frustrated when trying to reconcile our banking transactions with our daily sales.</p>
<p>For example: If we had $1,000 of credit card transactions on a given day we would three separate deposits over the following days one for Visa/MC and then two, later deposits for Amex and Discover.  This makes it <strong> much more difficult </strong> for us to reconcile our receipts&#8230; all because of the occasional non Visa/MC user.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve seriously considered banning Amex and Discover.</p>
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		<title>By: Moneymonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moneymonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear that AMEX do not pay merchants if a user disputes the transaction. I know small business owners that do not take AMEX b/c of this. AMEX is known for withdrawing the funds of of business accounts if customers dispute the transaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear that AMEX do not pay merchants if a user disputes the transaction. I know small business owners that do not take AMEX b/c of this. AMEX is known for withdrawing the funds of of business accounts if customers dispute the transaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like amex, because they aren&#039;t everywhere you want to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like amex, because they aren&#8217;t everywhere you want to be.</p>
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		<title>By: mapgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>mapgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 14:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents take credit cards at their gas station and there is no distinction with AMEX vs any other card. Due to the nature of the gas franchise business, there is a delay in the transferring IN of funds (primarily because there are also transfers OUT for gas shipments).

So at the retail level for gas stations, it doesn&#039;t matter if you pay with one or the other. The franchisee still gets their money and it&#039;s tagged as &#039;credit cards&#039; not with one card name or the other.

For individual stores, that&#039;s a whole other business I guess. The main thing as I learned while doing some biz dev for my parents, is to shop around the credit card processing company. The fee schedule is radically different from firm to firm. You have to know your credit card usage volume by card and price bids accordingly.

And if you want no questions about money and fees, buy an ATM for $5-7K, put in a wireline and clearinghouse, and take cash only. There&#039;s a restaurant chain in the area that does this. It drives me bonkers, but I try to plan ahead or just borrow cash from my friends when we go there. As much as it bugs me, it&#039;s smart on their part! It&#039;s a pure cash business!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents take credit cards at their gas station and there is no distinction with AMEX vs any other card. Due to the nature of the gas franchise business, there is a delay in the transferring IN of funds (primarily because there are also transfers OUT for gas shipments).</p>
<p>So at the retail level for gas stations, it doesn&#8217;t matter if you pay with one or the other. The franchisee still gets their money and it&#8217;s tagged as &#8216;credit cards&#8217; not with one card name or the other.</p>
<p>For individual stores, that&#8217;s a whole other business I guess. The main thing as I learned while doing some biz dev for my parents, is to shop around the credit card processing company. The fee schedule is radically different from firm to firm. You have to know your credit card usage volume by card and price bids accordingly.</p>
<p>And if you want no questions about money and fees, buy an ATM for $5-7K, put in a wireline and clearinghouse, and take cash only. There&#8217;s a restaurant chain in the area that does this. It drives me bonkers, but I try to plan ahead or just borrow cash from my friends when we go there. As much as it bugs me, it&#8217;s smart on their part! It&#8217;s a pure cash business!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sanders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Sanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 22:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no card company on the market that take more than 3 days for pay-out to the merchant.  This person (above) must be on a fraud policy where they have submitted too many fraudulent transactions.  The card company will then (by contract) hold the money for an extended period.  This protects them against intentional merchant fraud abuse, 

Again, Amex pays out in 1 to 3 days.

Secondly, due to a federal lawsuit brought by the government against VISA/MC for pretending to operate as separate companies  yet working together to prevent Banks from issuing Amex to their customers, merchants now have distinctly separate merchant accounts for  VISA vs MC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no card company on the market that take more than 3 days for pay-out to the merchant.  This person (above) must be on a fraud policy where they have submitted too many fraudulent transactions.  The card company will then (by contract) hold the money for an extended period.  This protects them against intentional merchant fraud abuse, </p>
<p>Again, Amex pays out in 1 to 3 days.</p>
<p>Secondly, due to a federal lawsuit brought by the government against VISA/MC for pretending to operate as separate companies  yet working together to prevent Banks from issuing Amex to their customers, merchants now have distinctly separate merchant accounts for  VISA vs MC.</p>
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